Well DAX/BF/Craig is Still Mad At Mary for Exposing His True Identity!! (Reposted From MarySpriteCasey!)
But you see, Craigy poo, that is where you are wrong. Mary was just the messenger, not the one who sees you and knows where you are all the time : ). It's not nice to shoot the messenger YANNO!!
Anyway, BF/Dax/(((DAX)))/Craig posted the following at RWV yesterday:
This "tip" is starting to smell like a "cheap storefront lawyer's office." LOL! The "usual suspects" are the "usual suspects" and I'm not refering to the "message board". ;>)
Grote Vis
Posted by: Bigfish | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 02:06 PM
And according to sitemeter at MarySpriteCasey!, he posted the following a few days prior:
Anonymous said...
Hi you jerk offs over at Unusual Suspects !! You are being watched.
March 23, 2006 4:53 AM
Daxy Waxy, you can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can never fool us!!!
Now keep swingin' on that rope you monkey you cuz you gonna hang yo self on it good and tight one of these days
and the train's gonna tug you a long wit ruby and jody and da gang!!
Good night now!
Anyway, BF/Dax/(((DAX)))/Craig posted the following at RWV yesterday:
This "tip" is starting to smell like a "cheap storefront lawyer's office." LOL! The "usual suspects" are the "usual suspects" and I'm not refering to the "message board". ;>)
Grote Vis
Posted by: Bigfish | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 02:06 PM
And according to sitemeter at MarySpriteCasey!, he posted the following a few days prior:
Anonymous said...
Hi you jerk offs over at Unusual Suspects !! You are being watched.
March 23, 2006 4:53 AM
Daxy Waxy, you can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can never fool us!!!
Now keep swingin' on that rope you monkey you cuz you gonna hang yo self on it good and tight one of these days
and the train's gonna tug you a long wit ruby and jody and da gang!!
Good night now!
posted by JusticeForNatalee at 3/29/2006 12:46:00 AM
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THANK YOU. 
35 Comments:
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thanks Dan
Posted by: hopingforthebest | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 02:04 PM
Thanks Dan
Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 02:05 PM
I see that the safetravelsfoundation.org website still does not have Natalee's story up or even a picture of Natalee. There is a picture of Beth and a place to make donations. Very telling about the priorities. IMO
Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 02:05 PM
Anyone else starting to get "bad vibes" about the "new witness."
I'm starting to detect an odor permeating about the revelations that remind me of so many other "leads" like the bones, duct tape, 6 "confessions", 6 "date raped girls", the crab cage, the "jogger", the "gardner", and on and on.
Mr. Dompig stated that the "new witness" had "inside information." Well whoop ti doo. Who doesn't?
This information could have been "passed on" by any number of people to the "tipster" and the calls reportedly didn't originate inside Aruba nor were they made to ALE.
This "tip" is starting to smell like a "cheap storefront lawyer's office." LOL! The "usual suspects" are the "usual suspects" and I'm not refering to the "message board". ;>)
Grote Vis
Posted by: Bigfish | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 02:06 PM
Anyone else starting to get "bad vibes" about the "new witness."
I'm starting to detect an odor permeating about the revelations that remind me of so many other "leads" like the bones, duct tape, 6 "confessions", 6 "date raped girls", the crab cage, the "jogger", the "gardner", and on and on.
Mr. Dompig stated that the "new witness" had "inside information." Well whoop ti doo. Who doesn't?
This information could have been "passed on" by any number of people to the "tipster" and the calls reportedly didn't originate inside Aruba nor were they made to ALE.
This "tip" is starting to smell like a "cheap storefront lawyer's office." LOL! The "usual suspects" are the "usual suspects" and I'm not refering to the "message board". ;>)
Grote Vis
Posted by: Bigfish | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 02:06 PM
Completely agree. Wonder if the call was from MB, AL???
Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 02:06 PM
Anyone else starting to get "bad vibes" about the "new witness."
I'm starting to detect an odor permeating about the revelations that remind me of so many other "leads" like the bones, duct tape, 6 "confessions", 6 "date raped girls", the crab cage, the "jogger", the "gardner", and on and on.
Mr. Dompig stated that the "new witness" had "inside information." Well whoop ti doo. Who doesn't?
This information could have been "passed on" by any number of people to the "tipster" and the calls reportedly didn't originate inside Aruba nor were they made to ALE.
This "tip" is starting to smell like a "cheap storefront lawyer's office." LOL! The "usual suspects" are the "usual suspects" and I'm not refering to the "message board". ;>)
Grote Vis
Posted by: Bigfish | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 02:06 PM
Completely agree. Wonder if the call was from MB, AL???
Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 02:06 PM
Or is Jossy in Miami still? STill he was behind all the other wild goose chases, maybe he is behind this one also?
Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 02:09 PM
: gagal_05 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 01:53 PM
yes I understand your frustration, but they are allowed to comment whether we like it or not as are others(media personalities) that show Natalee and family in a bad light.
My frustration is, how can a girl disappear into thin air and who, (one or more) performed the magic act.....
Posted by: Lexy | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 02:09 PM
It certainly makes me wonder who Deepak knows in the US that he'd be chatting with at that time of the morning,if it was Deepak on computer.How could someone in US give an alibi for him?
Posted by: greeneyedlady | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 01:05 PM
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GEL-
If you look on this blog and know the locations where posters have said they're posting from (and are reasonably confident that those locations are accurate), you will see that people have been on here at all hours of the night and early morning--and these are supposedly adults, not a young person who worked until 9 or 10PM and then went to a bar until 1AM.
Posted by: PerryPeabody | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 02:10 PM
Last critical phase of investigation....blame the victim...died of overdose.....final....Close the case
Posted by: plhtx | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 01:49 PM
I don't think it is "blaming the victim" syndrome if Natalee Holloway died of alcohol poisoning. No one forced those drinks down her. A drug overdose is a different story -- did she take the drugs willingly or were drugs put into her drink without her knowledge.
This new deal of blaming the victim being prohibited (also seen in the Imette St. Guillen case) is ludicrous. Young people need to know and learn from these two cases. It is NOT the victim's fault that something bad happened. However, lack of common sense due to alcohol played a role in something bad happening. Their defenses were down, common sense abandoned, and they were vunerable. Should something bad happen? - NO. But it did.
Posted by: sensible1 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 02:11 PM
gagal_05 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 01:53 PM
yes I understand your frustration, but they are allowed to comment whether we like it or not as are others(media personalities) that show Natalee and family in a bad light.
My frustration is, how can a girl disappear into thin air and who, (one or more) performed the magic act.....
Posted by: Lexy | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 02:09 PM
We share that same frustration....
Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 02:11 PM
Or is Jossy in Miami still? STill he was behind all the other wild goose chases, maybe he is behind this one also?
Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 02:09 PM
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And don't forget the "Natalee letter." There are "folks" with "vested interest" in this charade and will stop at nothing to keep stoking the fires. :>(
BF
Posted by: Bigfish | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 02:12 PM
Last critical phase of investigation....blame the victim...died of overdose.....final....Close the case
Posted by: plhtx | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 01:49 PM
I don't think it is "blaming the victim" syndrome if Natalee Holloway died of alcohol poisoning. No one forced those drinks down her. A drug overdose is a different story -- did she take the drugs willingly or were drugs put into her drink without her knowledge.
This new deal of blaming the victim being prohibited (also seen in the Imette St. Guillen case) is ludicrous. Young people need to know and learn from these two cases. It is NOT the victim's fault that something bad happened. However, lack of common sense due to alcohol played a role in something bad happening. Their defenses were down, common sense abandoned, and they were vunerable. Should something bad happen? - NO. But it did.
Posted by: sensible1 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 02:11 PM
I agree. All these people on TV talking about women should be able to go out and drink and stay out till all hours of the night like men is ludicrous to me. We do not live in a safe world. Everyone has to hold some accountabilty if they put themselves in these positions.
Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 02:14 PM
Or is Jossy in Miami still? STill he was behind all the other wild goose chases, maybe he is behind this one also?
Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 02:09 PM
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And don't forget the "Natalee letter." There are "folks" with "vested interest" in this charade and will stop at nothing to keep stoking the fires. :>(
BF
Posted by: Bigfish | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 02:12 PM
Still find a very strange that the letter is never mentioned. I do believe there are some that would do anything to keep this in the media no matter how low it is.
Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 02:15 PM
Pearl and Granny Toad told me to tell everyone hi at RWV...just relaying the message
Posted by: plhtx | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 02:20 PM
Or is Jossy in Miami still? STill he was behind all the other wild goose chases, maybe he is behind this one also?
Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 02:09 PM
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And don't forget the "Natalee letter." There are "folks" with "vested interest" in this charade and will stop at nothing to keep stoking the fires. :>(
Posted by: Bigfish | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 02:12 PM
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As to all of the "news" that has fizzled, I find it somewhat neglectful that none of these "news" programs, or "THE Program about Justice", ever return to any of the things that proved to be untrue or to the validity of the Skeeters' tapes.
Posted by: PerryPeabody | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 02:25 PM
Still find a very strange that the letter is never mentioned. I do believe there are some that would do anything to keep this in the media no matter how low it is.
Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 02:15 PM
By "some" do you mean Dompig?
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 02:26 PM
And don't forget the "Natalee letter." There are "folks" with "vested interest" in this charade and will stop at nothing to keep stoking the fires. :>(
BF
Posted by: Bigfish | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 02:12 PM
The "Natalee letter" reminds me of those unbalanced individuals that seem to thrive on "stirring up"the hype and then sitting back and enjoying the flap in the media it causes....I'm surprised we haven't heard that O.J.'s "third" bloody glove wasn't found on the beach where Joran says he left Natalee.
Posted by: Lexy | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 02:27 PM
Posted by: PerryPeabody | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 02:10 PM
~~~~~
You're right Perry..I'm one of those that's up all hours.Tishas just been a confusing and frustrating mess that I have got myself caught up in.I just wish we had more answers.
Posted by: greeneyedlady | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 02:28 PM
Or is Jossy in Miami still? STill he was behind all the other wild goose chases, maybe he is behind this one also?
Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 02:09 PM
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
And don't forget the "Natalee letter." There are "folks" with "vested interest" in this charade and will stop at nothing to keep stoking the fires. :>(
Posted by: Bigfish | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 02:12 PM
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As to all of the "news" that has fizzled, I find it somewhat neglectful that none of these "news" programs, or "THE Program about Justice", ever return to any of the things that proved to be untrue or to the validity of the Skeeters' tapes.
Posted by: PerryPeabody | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 02:25 PM
That just goes to show that they really don't care about the solving of the case. They only care about ratings so they go along with the "agenda".
Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 02:29 PM
I find it somewhat neglectful that none of these "news" programs, or "THE Program about Justice", ever return to any of the things that proved to be untrue or to the validity of the Skeeters' tapes.
Posted by: PerryPeabody | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 02:25 PM
If Deepak doesn't care enough to do anything about Skeeter's tapes, why should the news media care?
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 02:29 PM
That just goes to show that they really don't care about the solving of the case. They only care about ratings so they go along with the "agenda".
Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 02:29 PM
Who's agenda? Dompig was CBS's primary source of information about "the case."
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 02:31 PM
see how confused I am...LOL..Tishas=This has
Posted by: greeneyedlady | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 02:32 PM
If the tipster is credible then why do we not have Natalee? GMAB
Posted by: coastal | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 02:33 PM
As to all of the "news" that has fizzled, I find it somewhat neglectful that none of these "news" programs, or "THE Program about Justice", ever return to any of the things that proved to be untrue or to the validity of the Skeeters' tapes.
Posted by: PerryPeabody | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 02:25 PM
That in a nutshell is the major problem in finding out what is the truth of this case.
Posted by: Lexy | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 02:33 PM
If the tipster is credible then why do we not have Natalee? GMAB
Posted by: coastal | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 02:33 PM
The tipster may have seen her body being dumped and can identify the dumper. It will be up to the Judge to decide if he's credible.
Natalee may never be found, unfortunately.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 02:37 PM
If Deepak doesn't care enough to do anything about Skeeter's tapes, why should the news media care?
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 02:29 PM
We don't know Deepak's "strategy" or what advice his lawyer has given him...he ain't talkin!
Posted by: Lexy | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 02:40 PM
If Deepak doesn't care enough to do anything about Skeeter's tapes, why should the news media care?
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 02:29 PM
Cate/(Bitsey?)-
One might think that news personalities/programs/stations that have used the "news" of such a tape (and have even questioned the validity of the transcription (like Abrams and others did), might, upon learning that the transcription was analyzed and apparently inaccurate, would want to cover such a bogus story (or perhaps, flimflam).
Deepak has plenty of time to do something about it legally. The statute of limitations sometimes works for you and sometimes against you.
Posted by: PerryPeabody | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 02:45 PM
We don't know Deepak's "strategy" or what advice his lawyer has given him...he ain't talkin!
Posted by: Lexy | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 02:40 PM
He talked to Skeeters voluntarily. He made disparaging remarks about Natalee. The NFI validated the tape. Deepak has only himself to blame.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 02:45 PM
The "Natalee letter" reminds me of those unbalanced individuals that seem to thrive on "stirring up"the hype and then sitting back and enjoying the flap in the media it causes....I'm surprised we haven't heard that O.J.'s "third" bloody glove wasn't found on the beach where Joran says he left Natalee.
Posted by: Lexy | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 02:27 PM
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By "unbalanced", did you mean "Greta?". ;>)
BF
Posted by: Bigfish | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 02:47 PM
upon learning that the transcription was analyzed and apparently inaccurate, would want to cover such a bogus story (or perhaps, flimflam).
Deepak has plenty of time to do something about it legally. The statute of limitations sometimes works for you and sometimes against you.
Posted by: PerryPeabody | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 02:45 PM
According to a reporter from Aruba, the tape was validated by the NFI. Deepak's words were his own.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 02:48 PM
Right now I'm pondering Dompig's demeanor on 48 hrs.I swear at times he looked like the cat that ate the canary.
Posted by: hopingforthebest | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 01:50 PM
I thought he did, also.....maybe he really does know something
Posted by: plhtx | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 01:51 PM
He told us he was "playing the game" with those caty eyes..lol
equivilent of a plea bargin..."No plea bargins in Dutch law apparently"
I say.. accident..
you respond..oh yes that happened..
case solved..
LOL..Weather this works or not is another question..
Posted by: edward | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 02:48 PM
He talked to Skeeters voluntarily. He made disparaging remarks about Natalee. The NFI validated the tape. Deepak has only himself to blame.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 02:45 PM
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Would you cite where NFI "validated the tape"?
One is allowed to make disparaging remarks; one is just not supposed to lie about someone so as to defame them. "Looking" or "acting like a slut" is something that is in the eye of the beholder--kind of like the iconization of Natalee.
Posted by: PerryPeabody | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 02:49 PM
Right now I'm pondering Dompig's demeanor on 48 hrs.I swear at times he looked like the cat that ate the canary.
Posted by: hopingforthebest | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 01:50 PM
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Actually he looked like "Chief Wiggum" that ate the "Krispy Kremes."
BF
Posted by: Bigfish | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 02:51 PM
Pearl and Granny Toad told me to tell everyone hi at RWV...just relaying the message
Posted by: plhtx | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 02:20 PM
Tell them I said hello
Posted by: lookin4info | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 02:55 PM
She died at the vandersloot home..
Joran told dad of the death and then joran told of the 2 calls ...
Paulus panicked..
Body disposed of.."By whom"?
Body moved again.."By whom"?
Steve Croes phone was called from the vandersloot home 6:20 a.m.
He gets up early and leaves the tattoo boat on which he had slept..
How did he get off the tattoo ?
Was he seen on the dock ?
What vehicle did he leave in ?
What way did he go,What way did he go,What way did he go ?
Oh wait..Steve Croes does not know any of these folks..
So where is his phone records...
Natalee seems to be useing an un accounted for phone to make these 2 calls..
Was Steve Croes phone records checked ?
Posted by: edward | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 02:58 PM
Would you cite where NFI "validated the tape"?
One is allowed to make disparaging remarks; one is just not supposed to lie about someone so as to defame them. "Looking" or "acting like a slut" is something that is in the eye of the beholder--kind of like the iconization of Natalee.
Posted by: PerryPeabody | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 02:49 PM
Tito Lacle reported the tape had been validated. The suspect can smear Natalee all he likes but all that demonstrates to the public is his rotten character.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:02 PM
Posted by: plhtx | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 02:20 PM
Tell them I said hello
Posted by: lookin4info | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 02:55 PM
Will do...
Posted by: plhtx | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:05 PM
Tito Lacle reported the tape had been validated. The suspect can smear Natalee all he likes but all that demonstrates to the public is his rotten character.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:02 PM
...and on the validated rendition, Deepak says he didn't rape and murder Natalee Holloway. Deepak may think that women that dress like Natalee, her MB companions, and other tourists all dress like sluts.
Dr. Phil aired a doctored version. He should be held accountable for that.
Posted by: sensible1 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:09 PM
Tito Lacle reported the tape had been validated. The suspect can smear Natalee all he likes but all that demonstrates to the public is his rotten character.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:02 PM
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Bitsy, the "tape" was validated. It was proven, by the NFI, that Deepak stated "she didn't" as opposed to "she did" and the manipulated version was promoted by "the family", MSM, Skeeter, Phil McGraw, Copus, Van Zandt and many others.
The "family" reportedly has the results from the FBI. Why haven't they released them???
You can't change history Bitsy. The train is coming Bwahahahaha!
Bigfish
Posted by: Bigfish | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:09 PM
Tell them I said hello
Posted by: lookin4info | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 02:55 PM
Will do...
Posted by: plhtx | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:05 PM
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Same here...LOL..Tell Granny I miss her too.
Posted by: greeneyedlady | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:10 PM
Same here...LOL..Tell Granny I miss her too.
Posted by: greeneyedlady | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:10 PM
Will do...I told her we missed her...Pearl, also
Posted by: plhtx | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:12 PM
Tito Lacle reported the tape had been validated. The suspect can smear Natalee all he likes but all that demonstrates to the public is his rotten character.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:02 PM
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Do you mean that Tito Lacle reported that the tape has been validated as being Deepak's voice or that Tito Lacle validated that the transcription of all of Deepak's words (most especially the supposedly "incriminating" words) as shown on Dr. Phil was accurate? There is a difference and I should have been more specific in my question.
As to an anaysis of someone's "character", rotten or not rotten, that is in the eye of the beholder.
Posted by: PerryPeabody | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:12 PM
He told us he was "playing the game" with those caty eyes..lol
equivilent of a plea bargin..."No plea bargins in Dutch law apparently"
I say.. accident..
you respond..oh yes that happened..
case solved..
LOL..Weather this works or not is another question..
Posted by: edward | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 02:48 PM
I don't know what the punishment is for illegal body dumping but it has to be far less than murder. If a credible witness saw Croes, and the phone record also exists, he'll go down for the body dump. I think the guy will also sing like a canary. We're talking two separate crimes here.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:12 PM
Is Pearl not coming back?Both her & Granny have a lot of good insight on this case.
Posted by: greeneyedlady | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:14 PM
Do you mean that Tito Lacle reported that the tape has been validated as being Deepak's voice or that Tito Lacle validated that the transcription of all of Deepak's words (most especially the supposedly "incriminating" words) as shown on Dr. Phil was accurate? There is a difference and I should have been more specific in my question.
As to an anaysis of someone's "character", rotten or not rotten, that is in the eye of the beholder.
Posted by: PerryPeabody | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:12 PM
Tito reported the NFI validated the tape. The words were Deepak's.
I'd love to see the punk file a defamation lawsuit against Dr. Phil or Skeeters.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:18 PM
Since Dompig has stated that he thinks PVDS knows more than he's told and Kock said his clients(2K) say joran is lying about the pick-up at the beach,why hasn't ALE re-questioned P&JVDS?
Posted by: greeneyedlady | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:18 PM
Tito reported the NFI validated the tape. The words were Deepak's.
I'd love to see the punk file a defamation lawsuit against Dr. Phil or Skeeters.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:18 PM
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"Tito reported the NFI validated the tape. The words were Deepak's" doesn't mean that the words on the bottom of the screen as transcribed on the Dr. Phil show were Deepak's. As I said before, the person you view as a punk has time to file; that program was aired in a lot of jurisdictions in the US and in other countries with a lot of different statutes of limitations and defamation requirements. (Deepak not only doesn't have a time problem, he doesn't have a venue problem.)
Posted by: PerryPeabody | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:24 PM
Bitsy, the "tape" was validated. It was proven, by the NFI, that Deepak stated "she didn't" as opposed to "she did" and the manipulated version was promoted by "the family", MSM, Skeeter, Phil McGraw, Copus, Van Zandt and many others.
The "family" reportedly has the results from the FBI. Why haven't they released them???
You can't change history Bitsy. The train is coming Bwahahahaha!
Bigfish
Posted by: Bigfish | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:09 PM
No, the NFI validated the authenticity of the tape. Whether he said she "did" or "didn't" is a matter of interpretation by the listener (judge or jury.) In the midwest, there is a former cop sitting in jail for the murder of his wife. His conviction rested on words he stated to a 911 operator. Two expert witnesses had vastly different interpretations. The jury decided based on what they perceived. I think the innocents project or something similar has taken up this cop's appeal.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:25 PM
Is Pearl not coming back?Both her & Granny have a lot of good insight on this case.
Posted by: greeneyedlady | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:14 PM
She probably feels that the NH blogosphere has now turned into the NH blogosmear....jmo.
Posted by: Lexy | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:26 PM
As I said before, the person you view as a punk has time to file; that program was aired in a lot of jurisdictions in the US and in other countries with a lot of different statutes of limitations and defamation requirements. (Deepak not only doesn't have a time problem, he doesn't have a venue problem.)
Posted by: PerryPeabody | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:24 PM
yeah, he should make it a global case. Go for it.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:29 PM
She probably feels that the NH blogosphere has now turned into the NH blogosmear....jmo.
Posted by: Lexy | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:26 PM
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I was on & read what was posted to Pearl.I hope she doesn't let those posters stop her from being here.Her opinions and theories are very much missed.She has as much right as anyone else to state them.
Posted by: greeneyedlady | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:30 PM
Where are Pearl and Granny posting now?
Posted by: lookin4info | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:31 PM
BlogsforNatalee.com
Posted by: greeneyedlady | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:34 PM
No, the NFI validated the authenticity of the tape. Whether he said she "did" or "didn't" is a matter of interpretation by the listener (judge or jury.)
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:25 PM
I interpreted it has she "did" and...two separate words but said together she "did and" you wouldn't ........
Posted by: Lexy | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:35 PM
yeah, he should make it a global case. Go for it.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:29 PM
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Doubt Deepak wants to do that...he said what Skeeters said he said and IMO I'm sure that the tapes are real.
Posted by: greeneyedlady | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:36 PM
I interpreted it has she "did" and...two separate words but said together she "did and" you wouldn't ........
Posted by: Lexy | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:35 PM
A jury would have no problem coming to the same conclusion. Especially after the ugly comments he made about Natalee.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:38 PM
Is Pearl not coming back?Both her & Granny have a lot of good insight on this case.
Posted by: greeneyedlady | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:14 PM
She probably feels that the NH blogosphere has now turned into the NH blogosmear....jmo.
Posted by: Lexy | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:26 PM
They are at a place where there's not so much hate
Posted by: plhtx | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:42 PM
No, the NFI validated the authenticity of the tape. Whether he said she "did" or "didn't" is a matter of interpretation by the listener (judge or jury.) In the midwest, there is a former cop sitting in jail for the murder of his wife. His conviction rested on words he stated to a 911 operator. Two expert witnesses had vastly different interpretations. The jury decided based on what they perceived. I think the innocents project or something similar has taken up this cop's appeal.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:25 PM
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No Bitters. You're wrong again and just spewing hate. :>(
BF
Posted by: Bigfish | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:43 PM
They are at a place where there's not so much hate
Posted by: plhtx | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:42 PM
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Tell them Bigfish said hello and ask them if it's hot down there and if Nixon and Wabbi are there. j/k ;>)
BF
Posted by: Bigfish | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:44 PM
They are at a place where there's not so much hate
Posted by: plhtx | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:42 PM
~~~~~
I can understand that,but I know they are both tough,I guess though a person can only take so much.
Posted by: greeneyedlady | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:45 PM
can understand that,but I know they are both tough,I guess though a person can only take so much.
Posted by: greeneyedlady | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:45 PM
Pearl still reads hear, just doesn't care about posting
Posted by: plhtx | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:46 PM
I was on & read what was posted to Pearl.I hope she doesn't let those posters stop her from being here.Her opinions and theories are very much missed.She has as much right as anyone else to state them.
Posted by: greeneyedlady | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:30 PM
I always enjoyed reading what Pearl had to say, she always came across in her posts as being fair minded and having compassion for the pain the family is in. Hope she returns.
Posted by: Lexy | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:46 PM
always enjoyed reading what Pearl had to say, she always came across in her posts as being fair minded and having compassion for the pain the family is in. Hope she returns.
Posted by: Lexy | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:46 PM
she always was very fair in her post...never bad mouthed anyone
Posted by: plhtx | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:47 PM
Me too,Lexy.Maybe if she's reading as plhtx says,she will see how much some of us miss her.
PEARL & GRANNY...COME BACK...WE MISS YOU BOTH!!!
Posted by: greeneyedlady | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:49 PM
Tell them Bigfish said hello and ask them if it's hot down there and if Nixon and Wabbi are there. j/k ;>)
BF
Posted by: Bigfish | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:44 PM
They can't hear you.....the mute button is on ;=)
Posted by: Lexy | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:50 PM
she always was very fair in her post...never bad mouthed anyone
Posted by: plhtx | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:47 PM
She should come back and watch the trainwreck when Dompig makes his final move.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:50 PM
Tell them Bigfish said hello and ask them if it's hot down there and if Nixon and Wabbi are there. j/k ;>)
BF
Posted by: Bigfish | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:44 PM
They can't hear you.....the mute button is on ;=)
Posted by: Lexy | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:50 PM
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Works both ways. ;>)
BF
Posted by: Bigfish | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:51 PM
They are at a place where there's not so much hate
Posted by: plhtx | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:42 PM
no hate at all when one is calling for the kidnapping, rape and torture of 2 young boys and their mother...so long as they are furiners. What is it we Americans say? Kill em all...let god sort em out.
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:51 PM
Posted by: Lexy | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:46 PM
she always was very fair in her post...never bad mouthed anyone
Posted by: plhtx | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:47 PM
Pearl is missed a great deal. I don’t think there is anyone that is more eloquent in their postings than Pearl.
I think the loud barking pack of dogs on this site have chased away a lot of good people. They have nothing better to do than breath hate 24/7.
Some of the dogs have dug a hole under the fence and moonlight on another blog.
The loudest dog Queenie, (the leader of the pack) found out real quick that the other blog does not allow dogs to tear up the newspaper and leave shreds of articles all over the yard. Not matter how much they yap, please just ignore them.
I hope they are all neutered. We don’t need any of them to breed.
Posted by: Valk | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:52 PM
She should come back and watch the trainwreck when Dompig makes his final move.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:50 PM
LOL....oh oh the caboose is loose!
Posted by: Lexy | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:53 PM
Whiners are on full whine today. Jeeez.
BF
Posted by: Bigfish | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:54 PM
Skeeters tape. 8 minutes, 30 seconds in. I think he says "No, she didnt," but I can see how it can be heard differently.
http://zqv.com/video/origa.wmv
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:56 PM
He told us he was "playing the game" with those caty eyes..lol
equivilent of a plea bargin..."No plea bargins in Dutch law apparently"
I say.. accident..
you respond..oh yes that happened..
case solved..
LOL..Weather this works or not is another question..
Posted by: edward | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 02:48 PM
Whoever is responsible for being with Natalee when she died should be held responsible for the death. Same with anyone that buried the body. Both are just as bad, IMO, and both should warrant nothing less than LWOP.
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:58 PM
Posted by: Valk | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:52 PM
Well, I thought the posts Pearl made were very fair as well. I do miss her and Granny not being here. It was good to read their posts after scrolling through much of the bashing..
Posted by: lookin4info | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:59 PM
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:25 PM
McGraw, Skeeters, and Beth Ann were all complicit in the duplicitous construction and perpetuation of the manipulated tapes. They all knew exactly what they were doing. Poor Dave...she never even gave that sapa heads up it would air...blamed on the Katrina line outage. She is incorrigible. Greedy, too. She knows what happned that night...She knew when she flew there. Why was a MedJet there two days, not one or three? IMO
Posted by: pathenry | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:59 PM
I'd like to see Pearl and Granny post also. Granny was onto something with the "cesspool" mantra. It's rather cesspool-ish around here anymore as well.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:00 PM
She should come back and watch the trainwreck when Dompig makes his final move.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:50 PM
LMAO
Posted by: plhtx | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:01 PM
she always was very fair in her post...never bad mouthed anyone
Posted by: plhtx | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:47 PM
She should come back and watch the trainwreck when Dompig makes his final move.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:50 PM
Clickety clack; Pearl come back!
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:01 PM
She should come back and watch the trainwreck when Dompig makes his final move.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:50 PM
LMAO
Posted by: plhtx | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:01 PM
ROFLMAO wouldnt it be hysterical if Dompig really did manage to find himself killed in a train wreck while traveling somewhere?
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:02 PM
Well, I thought the posts Pearl made were very fair as well. I do miss her and Granny not being here. It was good to read their posts after scrolling through much of the bashing..
Posted by: lookin4info | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:59 PM
Hey Lookin4Info, How are ya. I agree, it would be nice to get some of the original posters back on this blog, if nothing else, it is always good to have different points of view and opinions. : )
Posted by: DaleJrFan8 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:03 PM
no hate at all when one is calling for the kidnapping, rape and torture of 2 young boys and their mother...so long as they are furiners. What is it we Americans say? Kill em all...let god sort em out.
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:51 PM
I think you said something about killing them in the womb based on a some sort of prediction--was that just for predicted murderers or all violent crime?
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:04 PM
I think you said something about killing them in the womb based on a some sort of prediction--was that just for predicted murderers or all violent crime?
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:04 PM
If they are predisposed to violence..yep. In this case, the 2 younger brothers of Jorans have not tested to show such tendancies, as far as I know.
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:06 PM
ROFLMAO wouldnt it be hysterical if Dompig really did manage to find himself killed in a train wreck while traveling somewhere?
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:02 PM
I'm sure the sociopath and his fan club would get a good laugh.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:06 PM
Skeeters tape. 8 minutes, 30 seconds in. I think he says "No, she didnt," but I can see how it can be heard differently.
http://zqv.com/video/origa.wmv
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:56 PM
I can see why it would be heard differently too....especially when the so-called transcript had "did" as what Deepak allegedly said splattered all over the screen , all over the world...all as Beth Ann, Skeeters, and McGraw sat and snickered to themselves how clever they thought they were being. Beth should play that program over and over in her head every night when she is wondering what it possibly was that she could have done differently. Or maybe she doesn't want to do it differently. You catch more donations with a missing daughter, than you do with a found one. IMO
Beth knows why she summoned the posse onboard a private jet to Aruba that first night.
Posted by: pathenry | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:06 PM
I'm sure the sociopath and his fan club would get a good laugh.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:06 PM
And Beth would get her wish for a new investigator.
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:07 PM
no hate at all when one is calling for the kidnapping, rape and torture of 2 young boys and their mother...so long as they are furiners. What is it we Americans say? Kill em all...let god sort em out.
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:51 PM
Why do you make a blanket statement like that when the hand full of people posting here have not made comments like that.
Truth is generally the best vindication against slander.
Posted by: Lexy | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:08 PM
ROFLMAO wouldnt it be hysterical if Dompig really did manage to find himself killed in a train wreck while traveling somewhere?
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:02 PM
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LMAO! A train load of DOUGHNUTS! Clickity Clack....Watch your back! I think "Dutchie" ran Granny off or maybe she just didn't want to register and be on the "record." I don't blame her!
Those cesspool comments reminded me of what "cheap storefront lawyer's" offices smell like. LOL :>)
BF
Posted by: Bigfish | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:08 PM
Dompig's posse is coming. Clickity clack!
Go, Gerry, go!!!!
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:09 PM
Why do you make a blanket statement like that when the hand full of people posting here have not made comments like that.
Truth is generally the best vindication against slander.
Posted by: Lexy | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:08 PM
Because I have seen MANY here make such statements about how ALL Dutch and Arubans are less valuable than Americans. I have watched as they cheer Joe M on...and support him when he calls for such things. They scream out in glory and wishfull thinking, hoping and praying Joe gets to the boys before LE has a chance to solve the case.
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:09 PM
I think you said something about killing them in the womb based on a some sort of prediction--was that just for predicted murderers or all violent crime?
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:04 PM
If they are predisposed to violence..yep. In this case, the 2 younger brothers of Jorans have not tested to show such tendancies, as far as I know.
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:06 PM
I still cant believe you're serious. Actually, there are governments that have considered this practice--take a look at some of the more "progressive" regimes, like Communist China. Hitler had a similar idea and made what he would consider a lot of headway. The Dutch allow infants to be killed for the betterment of society, they call it euthanasia. You might be happier in one of those places. We have a Constitution that I think works a little better for civilized people.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:10 PM
We have a Constitution that I think works a little better for civilized people.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:10 PM
ROFLMAO ya think? We aleardy allow a woman to decide to abort a fetus simply because it has a birth defect. Do you really think our govt would stop such abortions if such a test could show a predisposition for violence? The test has already been developed...now its just a matter of perfecting it to test before birth, rather than after.
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:12 PM
Truth is generally the best vindication against slander.
Posted by: Lexy | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:08 PM
It is an absolute defense.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:13 PM
I think that Beth has proven to be a proficient and possibly pathologcal liar. It is evident by her refusal to turn over her alleged torn documents to CBS that she is lying as to what they really are, and whether they ever existed at all in the investigation. She showed them to Greta to read...so she can't complain it would now compromise the case. They are as bold-faced lies as the Skeeters tapes. Pathological liars have children that go missing also...they probably have a propensity to drink and get high to escape the distorted truths at home. IMO
Beth, lying since May 30.
Posted by: pathenry | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:13 PM
They scream out in glory and wishfull thinking, hoping and praying Joe gets to the boys before LE has a chance to solve the case.
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:09 PM
The suspects in this case are adult men and I hope Joe reconsiders and lets their cellmates throw a welcoming party complete with soap.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:14 PM
Posted by: pathenry | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:13 PM
You are still barking the same tired shit.
Posted by: Valk | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:14 PM
Because I have seen MANY here make such statements about how ALL Dutch and Arubans are less valuable than Americans. I have watched as they cheer Joe M on...and support him when he calls for such things. They scream out in glory and wishfull thinking, hoping and praying Joe gets to the boys before LE has a chance to solve the case.
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:09 PM
I need to have my eyes and ears checked then, becuase I'm not seeing and hearing what you are.
Posted by: Lexy | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:15 PM
We have a Constitution that I think works a little better for civilized people.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:10 PM
ROFLMAO ya think? We aleardy allow a woman to decide to abort a fetus simply because it has a birth defect. Do you really think our govt would stop such abortions if such a test could show a predisposition for violence? The test has already been developed...now its just a matter of perfecting it to test before birth, rather than after.
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:12 PM
Yeah, I think. Without getting into the abortion debate as it now stands, yes I absolutely know that our government would not allow pre-emptive killing based on a prediction of violence, before or after birth. Are you really joking or just trying to make a point?
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:16 PM
woebegone makes points
Posted by: coastal | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:19 PM
Yeah, I think. Without getting into the abortion debate as it now stands, yes I absolutely know that our government would not allow pre-emptive killing based on a prediction of violence, before or after birth. Are you really joking or just trying to make a point?
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:16 PM
I think science is a wonderful, useful thing, and if such a test becomes available, should be employed. Offenders are getting younger. 9 year olds are killers. They are born, not made. Why bother sending a 10 or 11 year old to prison with LWOP? We wouldnt do that to a dog, why a human?
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:19 PM
Because I have seen MANY here make such statements about how ALL Dutch and Arubans are less valuable than Americans. I have watched as they cheer Joe M on...and support him when he calls for such things. They scream out in glory and wishfull thinking, hoping and praying Joe gets to the boys before LE has a chance to solve the case.
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:09 PM
I need to have my eyes and ears checked then, becuase I'm not seeing and hearing what you are.
Posted by: Lexy | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:15 PM
Never saw that either; hasnt happened. And Joe M did not call for anyone to get to the boys. woe, that is such hyperbole and spin. Cut it out, please.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:19 PM
I need to have my eyes and ears checked then, becuase I'm not seeing and hearing what you are.
Posted by: Lexy | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:15 PM
Not right now maybe, but RWV has had many Aruba bashers. Beth bashers too. Dutch bashers... oh well... it's not always civil out here.
Posted by: Dolores | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:20 PM
Never saw that either; hasnt happened. And Joe M did not call for anyone to get to the boys. woe, that is such hyperbole and spin. Cut it out, please.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:19 PM
keep wearing those rose colored glasses...they look good on you. I know what I heard the man say...not once...but two or 3 times. Even heard him put out a bounty on Joran when he found out Joran was comming to the states.
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:21 PM
The suspects in this case are adult men and I hope Joe reconsiders and lets their cellmates throw a welcoming party complete with soap.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:14 PM
Not only vigilante justice, but sick and perverted thoughts.
Posted by: sensible1 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:21 PM
Not only vigilante justice, but sick and perverted thoughts.
Posted by: sensible1 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:21 PM
Some folk get their rocks off by imagining the rape of teenaged boys.
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:22 PM
Never saw that either; hasnt happened. And Joe M did not call for anyone to get to the boys. woe, that is such hyperbole and spin. Cut it out, please.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:19 PM
JOE MAMMANA, PHILADELPHIA PHILANTHROPIST: Well, I‘ll be honest with you, Rita. I‘m not as patient or as nice as Beth is. Beth and I talk every day. We had a big dinner tonight in the city of Philadelphia. It was bipartisan. We had Republicans and Democrats, the police commissioner, our attorneys, our P.R. people.
And this is pretty much the foreplay. It‘s Beth‘s daughter. We‘re going to let her take this. But when Beth says go, we‘re going to take a bite at the apple, because we‘re going only going to want one bite. It‘s going to be deep into the core.
And I‘ll be really honest with you. After speaking to the Philadelphia School Board and everybody else, a boycott will be so devastating that they won‘t get a bar of soap on their island when we‘re finished with them.
Again, we‘re letting Beth call this. She‘s been nice for too long, as far as I‘m concerned. These three little pieces of trash over there, OK, they gang raped her daughter. They need to experience a gang rape.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9951194/
Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:24 PM
It is an absolute defense.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:13 PM
Hi ViVi...guess it's all Beth's fault. *eye roll*
Posted by: Lexy | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:24 PM
Some folk get their rocks off by imagining the rape of teenaged boys.
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:22 PM
and some by imagining grown men as "little boys."
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:26 PM
Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:24 PM
Thanks Gagal... always there when we need ya!
Posted by: Dolores | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:26 PM
Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:24 PM
Thanks Gagal... always there when we need ya!
Posted by: Dolores | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:26 PM
:))
Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:26 PM
Not right now maybe, but RWV has had many Aruba bashers. Beth bashers too. Dutch bashers... oh well... it's not always civil out here.
Posted by: Dolores | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:20 PM
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Not for the timid is it Dolores?
If they can't handle it, better off moving on instead of whining. O/T and BFN were always "kinder and more gentle" than here. ;>)
Of course there's always ArubaDirtyPolice(Frank) and Mary, Casey,!, Sprite(Hurricane Mary) if someone can't take the heat or "take over" this board.
BF
Posted by: Bigfish | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:29 PM
and some by imagining grown men as "little boys."
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:26 PM
It doesn't matter the age -- advocating a gang rape is sick
Posted by: sensible1 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:30 PM
and some by imagining grown men as "little boys."
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:26 PM
teenaged boy = J2K
young boys = Jorans brothers, who have been threatened
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:30 PM
Again, we‘re letting Beth call this. She‘s been nice for too long, as far as I‘m concerned. These three little pieces of trash over there, OK, they gang raped her daughter. They need to experience a gang rape.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9951194/
Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:24 PM
You really think this was a call to action to gang rape those boys/men?
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:31 PM
It is an absolute defense.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:13 PM
Hi ViVi...guess it's all Beth's fault. *eye roll*
Posted by: Lexy | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:24 PM
:: shaking head ::
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:32 PM
It doesn't matter the age -- advocating a gang rape is sick
Posted by: sensible1 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:30 PM
All I advocated was a welcoming party. You're the one who equates it to gang rape.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:33 PM
All I advocated was a welcoming party. You're the one who equates it to gang rape.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:33 PM
YooHoo -- you know, it's just huge and very relevant -- you're playing SaveYourself.
Posted by: sensible1 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:35 PM
Again, we‘re letting Beth call this. She‘s been nice for too long, as far as I‘m concerned. These three little pieces of trash over there, OK, they gang raped her daughter. They need to experience a gang rape.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9951194/
Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:24 PM
You really think this was a call to action to gang rape those boys/men?
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:31 PM
Dont get me wrong, though, I am not backing JoeM. I think he is a thug, and I think Beth should have disassociated herself from him.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:35 PM
All I advocated was a welcoming party. You're the one who equates it to gang rape.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:33 PM
Sad..you dont even have the guts to say what you mean. Coward.
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:35 PM
Not right now maybe, but RWV has had many Aruba bashers. Beth bashers too. Dutch bashers... oh well... it's not always civil out here.
Posted by: Dolores | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:20 PM
I am sorry to hear that Dolores and I realize there are ignorant people who take pleasure in doing that, but, some of us on here should not be held accountable for their words, only what comes out of our own mouths. I'm not interested at all in derogatory comments about Beth or the innocent people of Aruba for that matter.
Posted by: Lexy | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:37 PM
I think science is a wonderful, useful thing, and if such a test becomes available, should be employed. Offenders are getting younger. 9 year olds are killers. They are born, not made. Why bother sending a 10 or 11 year old to prison with LWOP? We wouldnt do that to a dog, why a human?
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:19 PM
Still I'm having a hard time believing that you really mean this. So I have to hold off on responding. I think you are just trying to make some point, no?
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:38 PM
teenaged boy = J2K
young boys = Jorans brothers, who have been threatened
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:30 PM
J2K are adult men. Jorans brothers haven't been threatened by anyone.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:38 PM
J2K are adult men. Jorans brothers haven't been threatened by anyone.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:38 PM
The WHOLE family has been threatened.
Posted by: sensible1 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:39 PM
I am sorry to hear that Dolores and I realize there are ignorant people who take pleasure in doing that, but, some of us on here should not be held accountable for their words, only what comes out of our own mouths. I'm not interested at all in derogatory comments about Beth or the innocent people of Aruba for that matter.
Posted by: Lexy | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:37 PM
Same, although I have criticized the Dutch LE, but not in a hateful gatuitous way.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:39 PM
Still I'm having a hard time believing that you really mean this. So I have to hold off on responding. I think you are just trying to make some point, no?
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:38 PM
Ive stated my beliefs...they may not be the same as yours.
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:40 PM
Sad..you dont even have the guts to say what you mean. Coward.
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:35 PM
You're the one with the vivid imagination about little boys.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:42 PM
Jorans brothers haven't been threatened by anyone.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:38 PM
While the van der Sloots have said in the past that Twitty is "always welcome" in Aruba, they are feeling less charitable toward her, saying she has gone too far and seriously hurt their family.
"I think that when she wants to talk, we will talk. But, of course, she has to explain something. I think she has done a lot of damage to Joran and our family," Paul van der Sloot said.
The van der Sloots say they — and their son — have received bags of mail and e-mail, most of it supportive. But not everyone is a fan.
"They threaten to murder him, to kidnap his brothers and torture them," Anita van der Sloot said. "And it's, it's disgusting. I can hardly read them."
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/LegalCenter/story?id=1587636&page=1
Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:42 PM
Jorans brothers haven't been threatened by anyone.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:38 PM
I'm not out here defending Joran, but the vdS family has received many threats since Natalee Holloway disappeared. Actually, it's "logical". Once you're in the news, there's always looneys out there who will make it their mission to make you life miserable.
I gues being in the "spotlight", wanted or not, isn't for the timids either...
Posted by: Dolores | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:43 PM
Actually, it's "logical". Once you're in the news, there's always looneys out there who will make it their mission to make you life miserable.
I gues being in the "spotlight", wanted or not, isn't for the timids either...
Posted by: Dolores | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:43 PM
Yes, there are loons that will try to become a hero by carrying out Joe M's desires.
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:46 PM
Not right now maybe, but RWV has had many Aruba bashers. Beth bashers too. Dutch bashers... oh well... it's not always civil out here.
Posted by: Dolores | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:20 PM
So many times I have wanted to give it back, but it goes against my nature. :>/
Posted by: coastal | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:46 PM
Same, although I have criticized the Dutch LE, but not in a hateful gatuitous way.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:39 PM
It is a bizarre legal system, crimes arent even defined, neither are penalties--prosecution is discretionary, prosecutor could dismiss ANY case and impose a fine instead, there is no judicial precedent, etc. No wonder we're all confused--there is really no sense to be made of it.
Posted by: ViVi | Wednesday, March 15, 2006 at 02:24 AM
Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:49 PM
So many times I have wanted to give it back, but it goes against my nature. :>/
Posted by: coastal | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:46 PM
I know what you're saying... have the same problem but worse.. It does not go against my nature, but I don't want tangible (written) evidence of how many profanities I can use in one sentence :-)
Posted by: Dolores | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:49 PM
The WHOLE family has been threatened.
Posted by: sensible1 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:39 PM
I have not seen nor heard anyone, whether on the Internet or in the media, threaten the younger brothers.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:50 PM
I have not seen nor heard anyone, whether on the Internet or in the media, threaten the younger brothers.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:50 PM
so that means it has not happened? Are you somehow privy to everything involved in all aspects of this case?
Ive never seen a million dollars, but I have no doubt it exists.
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:52 PM
I have not seen nor heard anyone, whether on the Internet or in the media, threaten the younger brothers.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:50 PM
While the van der Sloots have said in the past that Twitty is "always welcome" in Aruba, they are feeling less charitable toward her, saying she has gone too far and seriously hurt their family.
"I think that when she wants to talk, we will talk. But, of course, she has to explain something. I think she has done a lot of damage to Joran and our family," Paul van der Sloot said.
The van der Sloots say they — and their son — have received bags of mail and e-mail, most of it supportive. But not everyone is a fan.
"They threaten to murder him, to kidnap his brothers and torture them," Anita van der Sloot said. "And it's, it's disgusting. I can hardly read them."
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/LegalCenter/story?id=1587636&page=1
Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:42 PM
Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:52 PM
The threats of violence against the van der Sloots came in their mail, according to Anita.
Posted by: coastal | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:53 PM
Like gagal said. :)
Posted by: coastal | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:54 PM
Yes, there are loons that will try to become a hero by carrying out Joe M's desires.
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:46 PM
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Look at some of the reprobate loonys that have posted here and gone on to start their own hate sites posting personal information about commenters. Look at the insanity Dan has had to endure from these fruitcakes. The sad thing is, they all seem to be on the same side. :>(
BF
Posted by: Bigfish | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:54 PM
rep·ro·bate ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rpr-bt)
n.
A morally unprincipled person.
One who is predestined to damnation.
adj.
Morally unprincipled; shameless.
Rejected by God and without hope of salvation.
www.dictionary.com
Posted by: coastal | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:57 PM
Yes, there are loons that will try to become a hero by carrying out Joe M's desires.
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:46 PM
How 'bout proof that Joe M. "desires" gang rape of Joran's younger brothers? Time to post a link.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:59 PM
Same, although I have criticized the Dutch LE, but not in a hateful gatuitous way.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:39 PM
It is a bizarre legal system, crimes arent even defined, neither are penalties--prosecution is discretionary, prosecutor could dismiss ANY case and impose a fine instead, there is no judicial precedent, etc. No wonder we're all confused--there is really no sense to be made of it.
Posted by: ViVi | Wednesday, March 15, 2006 at 02:24 AM
Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:49 PM
Fair criticism.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:00 PM
You are still barking the same tired shit.
Posted by: Valk | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:14 PM
The first thing Beth did when she got to the island was to meet with the DEA to lie about Natalee's "character." Beth say's she knew they were drinking from morning to night. Why did she go with an established agenda? Why did she say she hadn't talked to Mountain Brook students on the trip? Not relevant to her agenda?
Beth is a pathological liar. IMO "Woof"
Posted by: pathenry | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:02 PM
so that means it has not happened? Are you somehow privy to everything involved in all aspects of this case?
Ive never seen a million dollars, but I have no doubt it exists.
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:52 PM
You're the one who claims these threats were made directly by Natalee's family or Joe M. Prove it.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:05 PM
Mammana: "I have vowed on World television, to Beth Twitty, to myself, and MOST IMPORTANTLY, to my own mother, that I WILL NOT GIVE UP until this case is resolved to MY satisfaction. Screw closure. Screw justice. I believe in REVENGE" ... or did they skeeterise Mammana too?????
People... let's stop asking for what Mr. Mammana stands for.... it's pretty clear.
Posted by: Dolores | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:06 PM
Wow...who cares what loonies out there have to say, don't go read their comments and quit bringing other nutball comments up that have dick all to do with what happened to Natalee....*clicks mute button*
Posted by: Lexy | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:06 PM
The first thing Beth did when she got to the island was to meet with the DEA to lie about Natalee's "character." Beth say's she knew they were drinking from morning to night. Why did she go with an established agenda? Why did she say she hadn't talked to Mountain Brook students on the trip? Not relevant to her agenda?
Beth is a pathological liar. IMO "Woof"
Posted by: pathenry | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:02 PM
That really should be "Beth NOW says..." At the beginning she was in complete denial that Natalee was drinking. It really wasn't until TJ Ward finally talked about the 151 shots, that Beth Twitty even began to talk about drinking -- then it was responsible drinking; now it's morning till night drinking.
Posted by: sensible1 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:08 PM
Wow...who cares what loonies out there have to say, don't go read their comments and quit bringing other nutball comments up that have dick all to do with what happened to Natalee....*clicks mute button*
Posted by: Lexy | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:06 PM
They're melting down because Dompig's in the game. Click. Click. Dompig. Dompig.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:09 PM
Beth is a pathological liar. IMO "Woof"
Posted by: pathenry | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:02 PM
yes, you've told us 93939394857 times...surprise us next time, spell her name backwards or something.
Posted by: Lexy | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:10 PM
Joe: Well, I’ll be honest with you Rita. I’m not as patient or as nice as Beth is. Beth and I talk everyday. We had a big dinner tonight in the city of Philadelphia. It was bi-partisan; we had Republicans and Democrats, the police commissioner, our attorneys and our PR people. This is pretty much the foreplay. This is Beth’s daughter; we’re going to let her take this. But when Beth says go we’re going to take a bite of the apple cause we’re only going to want one bite. It’s going to be deep into the core. I’ll be really honest with you, after speaking to the Philadelphia school board and everyone else a boycott will be so devastating that they won’t get a bar of soap on their island when we’re finished with them. Again, we’re letting Beth call this. She’s been nice for too long as far as I’m concerned.
These three little pieces of trash over there they gang raped her daughter. They need to experience a gang rape.
No more quoting this crook from my part....
Posted by: Dolores | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:10 PM
>>It’s going to be deep into the core. I’ll be really honest with you, after speaking to the Philadelphia school board and everyone else a boycott will be so devastating that they won’t get a bar of soap on their island when we’re finished with them.<<
YIKES!!! Joe predicts a soap shortage! Let's everyone send our soap to Aruba in time for the welcoming party!!
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:13 PM
Wow...who cares what loonies out there have to say, don't go read their comments and quit bringing other nutball comments up that have dick all to do with what happened to Natalee....*clicks mute button*
Posted by: Lexy | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:06 PM
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Folks here have a right to read whatever they feel like and post whatever they feel is appropriate, subject to the house rules, without seeking your approval. The whining is annoying though. :>)
BF
Posted by: Bigfish | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:13 PM
Beth is a pathological liar. IMO "Woof"
Posted by: pathenry | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:02 PM
yes, you've told us 93939394857 times...surprise us next time, spell her name backwards or something.
Posted by: Lexy | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:10 PM
Sounding like a broken record
Posted by: plhtx | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:13 PM
I think science is a wonderful, useful thing, and if such a test becomes available, should be employed. Offenders are getting younger. 9 year olds are killers. They are born, not made. Why bother sending a 10 or 11 year old to prison with LWOP? We wouldnt do that to a dog, why a human?
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:19 PM
So, how would you do it? Genetic counseling before conception? Violence predictions dictate who can legally conceive? What if we discover that a 3 year old was missed in the screening process, but has the violence predisposition--kill them? What kind of probability is good enough for you? What about violent recidivists in today's society--a fight in school at age 9, domestic violence at age 23, robbery at age 26--should we round up the 9 year olds fighting in school and kill them since they show a propensity for violence?
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:13 PM
yes, you've told us 93939394857 times...surprise us next time, spell her name backwards or something.
Posted by: Lexy | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:10 PM
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LMAO! Use the mute button and for Chrissakes stop whining!
BF
Posted by: Bigfish | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:14 PM
CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:09 PM
meltdown fueled by hate of others.
Posted by: Lexy | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:16 PM
meltdown fueled by hate of others.
Posted by: Lexy | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:16 PM
fueled by fear of prosecution. Dompig's coming.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:17 PM
LMAO! Use the mute button and for Chrissakes stop whining!
BF
Wasn't talking to you...OK go ahead *fingers in my ears*la la la I can't hear you lalala
Posted by: Lexy | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:18 PM
Beth is a pathological liar. IMO "Woof"
Posted by: pathenry | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:02 PM
yes, you've told us 93939394857 times...surprise us next time, spell her name backwards or something.
Posted by: Lexy | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:10 PM
Let's all post in
Rhyme, or haiku, sounds
Fun to me
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:19 PM
think science is a wonderful, useful thing, and if such a test becomes available, should be employed. Offenders are getting younger. 9 year olds are killers. They are born, not made. Why bother sending a 10 or 11 year old to prison with LWOP? We wouldnt do that to a dog, why a human?
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:19 PM
Now this is about the sickest theory I've seen. I hope you are pulling our leg.
Posted by: plhtx | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:23 PM
Abrams 10/12/05
DOMPIG: He is working on it ... you could say that the glitch was that -- I understood that the producer of the company of the "Dr. Phil Show" wasn't pleased because they said that they didn't -- they never put any conditions on it. But we were informed differently.
But that's not the issue right now. More important is to me that we do get the tapes as soon as possible. ... Because I assure you that, if these tapes are legitimate, it could turn around the case.
ABRAMS: Why is that? Is what he says on that tape inconsistent with what he said in interviews with the police?
DOMPIG: Absolutely. Absolutely. They always denied having sex with this young girl. And so, in looking at the tapes, to watch if this is really what this gentleman has said, then it is totally contrary to what he has declared at our police station.
ABRAMS: So, if those tapes are verified by you, are you going to re-arrest Deepak Kalpoe?
DOMPIG: Of course, that's one of the strong possibilities. Don't forget that we do have to follow tactical issues and strategies.
The issue, also, is that, in Aruba, we don't know the plea bargains. It's not allowed within our system. So we do have to follow different rules and regulations.
But I assure you that, once this is verified, and if it's legitimate, the case will turn around fully. And it will be for us absolutely enough new information to talk once more to this young man, or, as a matter of fact, with maybe to all three.
ABRAMS: So what would you do -- let's again assume that you're able to verify this tape. Joran Van Der Sloot is living in the Netherlands right now. Would you demand that he return?
DOMPIG: That's a possibility. We will have to go through the judge of instruction, of course, for every new activity which you could say basically is evasive for whatever reasons, because people have constitutional rights.
If we want to do searches and we want to arrest people within a case like this, we do have to go to a judge.
ABRAMS: So let's be clear. Up to this point, Deepak Kalpoe has denied having had sex with Natalee that night?
DOMPIG: That's correct.
ABRAMS: What about the other suspect, Joran Van Der Sloot for example? Did he deny repeatedly that he ever had sex with Natalee that night?
DOMPIG: They all denied. And I'm glad you asked you that question, because there's also some rumors going around from I think part of the family that Joran supposedly declared in one of his statements that he had sex with this girl in his home or his apartment.
ABRAMS: Yes.
DOMPIG: There's no mention nowhere in the statements of that.
ABRAMS: Let me let you listen to this from Beth Twitty. And then I want you to respond.
DOMPIG: OK.
-- Begin video clip --
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: I've seen several of Joran's statements. And I don't know why he was released. He has her coming in and out of consciousness repeatedly throughout his statements. You know, he admits to bringing her to his home. And he even gives a date and a time, 1:40 a.m. on May the 30th, and, you know, has sex with her in his home.
-- End video clip --
ABRAMS: So you're saying that that is simply not true?
DOMPIG: Not true. As I said earlier, also, we are re-reading all the statements at this moment. And there's no statement of that kind.
Posted by: Bigfish | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:24 PM
Wasn't talking to you...OK go ahead *fingers in my ears*la la la I can't hear you lalala
Posted by: Lexy | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:18 PM
Dompig's coming! Dompig's coming!
Grab your shoes! Rejoice the news!
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:28 PM
think science is a wonderful, useful thing, and if such a test becomes available, should be employed. Offenders are getting younger. 9 year olds are killers. They are born, not made. Why bother sending a 10 or 11 year old to prison with LWOP? We wouldnt do that to a dog, why a human?
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:19 PM
Now this is about the sickest theory I've seen. I hope you are pulling our leg.
Posted by: plhtx | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:23 PM
That's what I kept thinking and why I didnt want to respond, but I think she means it. The notion is sick on its face, but it's also counter to everything the Constitution says and stands for. I could say so much more about this, but I suppose it isnt the place--just felt I needed to respond to her comments.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:29 PM
Posted by: Lexy | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:10 PM
hteB si a lacigolohtap rail.
Elizabeth Ann Reynolds Holloway Twitty, mother of the missing girl, has lied from the beginning. What was her agenda on May 30? Why lie?
Posted by: pathenry | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:29 PM
That's what I kept thinking and why I didnt want to respond, but I think she means it. The notion is sick on its face, but it's also counter to everything the Constitution says and stands for. I could say so much more about this, but I suppose it isnt the place--just felt I needed to respond to her comments.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:29 PM
I'm still stunned. I don't think I've ever heard of something so sick in all my life. Has to be a joke. I think she is pulling our leg.
Posted by: plhtx | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:31 PM
Some hear the train a-comin´, it´s rolling around their heads...And they ain´t seen their brains since we don´t know when.....They're stuck on stupid prison, and time keeps draggin´ on.........
Posted by: Lexy | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:32 PM
The suspects in this case are adult men and I hope Joe reconsiders and lets their cellmates throw a welcoming party complete with soap.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:14 PM
so is this how you kept your kids in line?
Posted by: iquitos | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:34 PM
"The Mountain Brook High School graduate disappeared May 30 on the last day of her senior trip to Aruba. Her mother, Beth Holloway Twitty, could not be reached Saturday night for comment.
Dompig said he has credible witnesses who say Holloway had drugs in her possession. Dompig also said police have witnesses who claim Holloway was drinking excessively on the day she disappeared. Dompig would not say what kind of drugs Holloway allegedly had."
Posted by: pathenry | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:34 PM
Wasn't talking to you...OK go ahead *fingers in my ears*la la la I can't hear you lalala
Posted by: Lexy | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:18 PM
Dompig's coming! Dompig's coming!
Grab your shoes! Rejoice the news!
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:28 PM
I walked home
Deepak drove me. No, it was Satish
Catch me if you can
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:35 PM
Some hear the train a-comin´, it´s rolling around their heads...And they ain´t seen their brains since we don´t know when.....They're stuck on stupid prison, and time keeps draggin´ on.........
Posted by: Lexy | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:32 PM
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Meow, meow, meow, meow....Meow, meow, meow, meow.... :>)
Posted by: Bigfish | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:35 PM
I'm still stunned. I don't think I've ever heard of something so sick in all my life. Has to be a joke. I think she is pulling our leg.
Posted by: plhtx | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:31 PM
Maybe she's Dutch?
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:37 PM
Tito Lacle reported the tape had been validated. The suspect can smear Natalee all he likes but all that demonstrates to the public is his rotten character.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:02 PM
You mean the duct tape with the hair? It was not validated. Is Tito Lacle part of the investigative team?
Posted by: iquitos | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:38 PM
Elizabeth Ann Reynolds Holloway Twitty, mother of the missing girl, has lied from the beginning. What was her agenda on May 30? Why lie?
Posted by: pathenry | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:29 PM
I don't know if everything Beth has said is a lie. You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time..... time will tell, though maybe not in our lifetime.
Posted by: Lexy | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:38 PM
ABRAMS: All right. But when you say that none of the statements match up, he never admitted to having sex with Natalee, correct?
DOMPIG: No.
ABRAMS: He never admitted to killing Natalee or knowing what happened to Natalee, correct?
DOMPIG: No.
ABRAMS: The inconsistencies were, when was he on the beach with her, did they go back to his house, et cetera?
DOMPIG: Exactly, details.
ABRAMS: Was there a major detail he was inconsistent about?
DOMPIG: I can't comment on that, because talking about that would really also expose future strategies and tactics we have.
ABRAMS: All right. Fair enough. What about the brothers? I mean, we talked a little bit about Deepak. Were their statements inconsistent, in terms of what they said happened?
DOMPIG: That is correct.
ABRAMS: Your office and many of the authorities in Aruba have have been criticized for not arresting all three of them very early on, people criticizing you for waiting 10-something days to finally arrest them, saying the evidence was destroyed, et cetera. What's your response to that?
DOMPIG: Well, let me explain -- try to explain shortly. First of all, our systems of criminal law are different. In the United States, as I did a couple of trainings at the FBI with the FBI, it is -- I know that they have plea bargaining.
If this would have happened in the states, you'd probably arrest all three, see which one is the weakest, and try to cut a deal with him. And that's the way it's done in your country.
We don't have that plea bargain tool in our system. So we have to follow different rules. That's one.
The second thing is that these boys, they were seen last with Natalee. But they had a clean slate. They didn't have any criminal activities in their past. So, as you would say, they didn't have a rap sheet. So there wasn't any reason to think that their first story wasn't right or something -- or there was foul play or whatever.
Thirdly, don't forget that we have very soon, within the window frame of eight, nine days, we started to monitor them, meaning that sometimes choosing the moment of arresting depends on whether you think that you have monitored enough or that you want to monitor a little further.
ABRAMS: Right.
DOMPIG: So, without really going into specific details, I'm just trying to explain to you that the moment of arrest doesn't really say anything about the fact that we-what we thought of them, or what we planned, or even what we knew of them.
So, although it was a bit mind-bothering to the outsides, looking at us from the outside in, I can assure that this was carefully looked at by the prosecutor's office, by the investigating team. At that time, with the information that we had to our disposal, at that time, it was not wise, in our opinion, at that time, to arrest them very early.
Posted by: Bigfish | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:39 PM
They are at a place where there's not so much hate
Posted by: plhtx | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:42 PM
You mean, a place similar to Scared Monkeys?
Posted by: roy | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:39 PM
I don't know if everything Beth has said is a lie. You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time..... time will tell, though maybe not in our lifetime.
Posted by: Lexy | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:38 PM
Send that memo to Joran; he apparently thinks he can fool all the people all the time.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:40 PM
Meow, meow, meow, meow....Meow, meow, meow, meow.... :>)
Posted by: Bigfish | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:35 PM
choo choo toot-toot choo choo choo...that was fun.
Posted by: Lexy | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:41 PM
Maybe she's Dutch?
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:37 PM
or nuts.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:41 PM
Meow, meow, meow, meow....Meow, meow, meow, meow.... :>)
Posted by: Bigfish | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:35 PM
choo choo toot-toot choo choo choo...that was fun.
Posted by: Lexy | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:41 PM
I think I can, I think I can, I think I can, I think I can
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:42 PM
Maybe she's Dutch?
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:37 PM
or nuts.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:41 PM
maybe she forgot her meds
Posted by: plhtx | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:42 PM
Because I have seen MANY here make such statements about how ALL Dutch and Arubans are less valuable than Americans. I have watched as they cheer Joe M on...and support him when he calls for such things. They scream out in glory and wishfull thinking, hoping and praying Joe gets to the boys before LE has a chance to solve the case.
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:09 PM
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I just got back and saw this,I have not seen any posters cheering JM on.I have made the remark that I thought he was good looking,just playing around.I don't and I don't see other posters wanting anything bad to happen to J2K except most of us would like for them to tell the truth and stop making up crap as they go.I also never thought any American was more valuable than a Dutch or Aruban citizen.I do think that maybe they are afraid to speak up on some issues about their laws though.Why do you keep repeating this about JM?I have noticed that it seems like you are the only one that keeps bringing this up.
Posted by: greeneyedlady | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:42 PM
Meow, meow, meow, meow....Meow, meow, meow, meow.... :>)
Posted by: Bigfish | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:35 PM
choo choo toot-toot choo choo choo...that was fun.
Posted by: Lexy | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:41 PM
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Glad you're coming aboard. No whiners on this train! :)
BF
Posted by: Bigfish | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:43 PM
Maybe she's Dutch?
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:37 PM
or nuts.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:41 PM
Hate to call another commenter crazy, but that perspective is absolutely nuts--if she's serious. Wish she would explain.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:44 PM
now look at what joran said.
Joran van der Sloot: Uh... I told her I had to go home. I had school the next day, and I thought, maybe she'd understand. She told me, "No,." she wanted me to stay there with her. Because, the next day she was leaving. She wanted to stay there the whole night. I told her, "No," I had to go. I even lifted her up to carry her back to her hotel. And she told me, put her down.I left her there. I sat down and I started talking to her for a while. And I called Deepak, to ask him if he could come and pick me up, which Deepak didn’t do. but…
Reporter: was she angry?
Joran van der Sloot: She wasn't ... she wasn't angry. If anything she was probably more.. I don't know... upset that I was leaving her there. And, I don't know what reaction she had. I don't know
And i called Deepak, to ask him to pick me up, which Deepak didn't do. but...
Now we know Satish did. But did Deepak come along for the ride?
Posted by: iquitos | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:45 PM
I'm heading to Sam's to grab up a couple of cases of soap. Maybe I'll toss in some party hats.
Anybody know the postage costs to Aruba?
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:46 PM
I just got back and saw this,I have not seen any posters cheering JM on.I have made the remark that I thought he was good looking,just playing around.I don't and I don't see other posters wanting anything bad to happen to J2K except most of us would like for them to tell the truth and stop making up crap as they go.I also never thought any American was more valuable than a Dutch or Aruban citizen.I do think that maybe they are afraid to speak up on some issues about their laws though.Why do you keep repeating this about JM?I have noticed that it seems like you are the only one that keeps bringing this up.
Posted by: greeneyedlady | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:42 PM
forget about it, gel, she must not have anything else to say...if it's not this it's about killing unborn babies who are judged to be murderers before they are born.
Posted by: plhtx | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:46 PM
Send that memo to Joran; he apparently thinks he can fool all the people all the time.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:40 PM
Memo to Joran: God offers to every mind its choice between truth and repose. Take which you please - you can never have both.
Posted by: Lexy | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:46 PM
ask the post office. it is not cheap unless you go surface.
Posted by: iquitos | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:47 PM
I'm heading to Sam's to grab up a couple of cases of soap. Maybe I'll toss in some party hats.
Anybody know the postage costs to Aruba?
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:46 PM
Never mind sending American soap to me.. I much prefer some good Italian or French stuff...
Posted by: Dolores | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:47 PM
Mar. 27, 2006
On March 25, 2006, CBS aired its taped-in-February interview with Aruba’s Deputy Chief of Police, Gerold Dompig and, unfortunately, almost a month on ice didn’t do anything to cool down the not-too-pretty picture that was revealed to CBS’s many viewers.
Those who had watched Greta Van Susteren’s pre-airing interview with the CBS reporter on March 24, 2006, were mentally prepared for the worst when he stated that the Aruban LE possess “reports by witnesses (several) that Natalee drank heavily that night, enough to cause death. Dompig also has witnesses that NH had drugs in her possession. “
Vanity Fair article released a lengthy investigative article on January 6, 2006, (http://www.vanityfair.com/commentary/content/articles/060102roco01) which pretty much put the kibosh to that often-expressed fantasy which tried to tell us of the good conduct of the trip participants:
“This group of students was a very—I don't want to demonize them—but the group really went far, very far, in terms of having a good time," Dompig says. "Wild partying, a lot of drinking, lots of room switching every night. We know the Holiday Inn told them they weren't welcome next year. Natalee, we know, she drank all day every day. We have statements she started every morning with cocktails—so much drinking that Natalee didn't show up for breakfast two mornings.”
Sex, drugs and rock and roll. A far, far cry from the images trotted out in front of the camera lenses for the last 10 months by Beth Reynolds Holloway-Twitty, the media-maven-loving mother of the now-revealed-as-normal Natalee Holloway, the beautiful, missing-from-Aruba, Alabama semi-honours student who, according to various HMI websites, was awarded a portion of an eight-year, bus pass-endowed, full-ride scholarship for a four-year premedicine degree at the University of Alabama.
There have been some pathetic attempts to restore a bit of the lustre to the tarnished and tawdry Mountain Brook trip participants’ image, with one of the most hilarious being the participation of PlumbBob DumbJob in two fantasy-filled, on-air show and tells (http://www.useless-knowledge.com/1234/uk_news/article122.html) which floated this parody of the MB paragons of responsible drinking and self-chaperoned self-restraint:
“5…That some students were only 17 (the legal age for drinking on Aruba is 18), and that, unchaperoned and unsupervised, these 17-year-olds were expected to walk away from temptation and their drink-til-you-drop buddies and not go into the bars (and they wore the same free-booze bracelets as the 18-year-olds).”
Alas, alas. In the early part of this year, the FBI and the Aruban LE were crisscrossing America and conducting interviews with 17 of the 21 trip participants whose statements needed further clarification (yes, four trip participants did not participate in the reinterviews).
Those results are still held close to the chests of the interrogation teams; however, that reminder that the case was not considered to be cold and forgotten must have stirred some feelings of remorse or guilt in sacrosanct Mountain Brook.
Someone, either a trip participant or a charter member of that charmed MB inner circle which Natalee belonged to, released a series of photographs of pre- and post-vanishing parties held in Mountain Brook.
These pictures, viewable at http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/viewtopic.php?t=32, show us that someone has broken the code of silence and provided irrefutable photographic proof to help pop the protective bubble created and maintained by the HMI spin machine.
Deputy Chief Dompig advises that a picture tells a thousand words. The picture which these photographs tell is of a bevy of under-age boozers, laden down with loads of illegal-to-them-in-Alabama alcohol and with arms bedecked with a plethora of post-Aruba ‘Remember Natalee’ bracelets yet nary a post-Aruba tear in sight, carrying on with the on-Aruba conduct refuted by PlumbBob DumbJob (and some of the photographs show the same 17-year-olds who were purportedly practising self-restraint on Aruba).
If these photographs, pried out of a previously unmoved heart by pangs of conscience, were forwarded to RefugeesUnleashed unbidden, just imagine what may have been blurted out to the FBI and the ALE (and which they aren’t telling us about, yet).
HMI is in lockdown and damage-control mode, but it seems like it’s much too late to put the genie back in the bottle: it looks like the other 110-odd MB participants, who had no reason to lie (and whose parents must be appalled by the crass donation drives and commercialization) are unburdening themselves of repressed memories and, if they’re fortunate, maybe also that upstart Mississippian--who is a MBer by marriage only.
Save Yourself, lol. My dictionary defines a sociopath as one who lacks a social conscience, but who often benefits from the manipulation of others.
Wahoo, Natalee Holloway donation drives, with their tens of millions of dollars tucked away in non-reporting bank accounts or lump-filled mattresses. Wahoo, those owning a new Toyota Tundra and Harley Davidson Fat Boy. Save Yourself first!
http://www.topnewsreports.com/reports/article005.html
Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:48 PM
I'm heading to Sam's to grab up a couple of cases of soap. Maybe I'll toss in some party hats.
Anybody know the postage costs to Aruba?
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:46 PM
Just drop it in the water, their tracking system will pick it up.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:48 PM
Never mind sending American soap to me.. I much prefer some good Italian or French stuff...
Posted by: Dolores | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:47 PM
Give me what the Mountaini Brook girls are using--they have gorgeous skin.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:49 PM
Just drop it in the water, their tracking system will pick it up.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:48 PM
ROFLMAO.....best comment of the day
Posted by: plhtx | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:50 PM
Never mind sending American soap to me.. I much prefer some good Italian or French stuff...
Posted by: Dolores | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:47 PM
The French use soap? That's news...
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:50 PM
God offers to every mind its choice between truth and repose. Take which you please - you can never have both.
Posted by: Lexy | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:46 PM
God must have been sleeping when Natalee got in the car...maybe Joran slipped him something. When Beth drops to her knees everyday, does she seek redemption for the lies she has told and lives she seeks to destroy?
Posted by: pathenry | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:50 PM
Give me what the Mountaini Brook girls are using--they have gorgeous skin.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:49 PM
Viv, I think it's called "youth"
Posted by: plhtx | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:51 PM
forget about it, gel, she must not have anything else to say...if it's not this it's about killing unborn babies who are judged to be murderers before they are born.
Posted by: plhtx | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:46 PM
~~~~
OK.
Posted by: greeneyedlady | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:51 PM
forget about it, gel, she must not have anything else to say...if it's not this it's about killing unborn babies who are judged to be murderers before they are born.
Posted by: plhtx | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:46 PM
Better yet, in Netherlands you can child if you dont like the results. Do-over.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:51 PM
The French use soap? That's news...
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:50 PM
You're cracking me up!!!
Posted by: plhtx | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:52 PM
boy has this forum gone to hell today. can we get back to the case (not the case of soap)?
Posted by: iquitos | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:52 PM
Viv, I think it's called "youth"
Posted by: plhtx | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:51 PM
Can you get that at Sams? CK, pick me up a case of that "youth" while you're out. Thanks.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:52 PM
Y'all are killin me!!
Posted by: plhtx | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:53 PM
Can you get that at Sams? CK, pick me up a case of that "youth" while you're out. Thanks.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:52 PM
Maybe, we can call Beth
Posted by: plhtx | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:53 PM
mb girls use vodka.
Posted by: iquitos | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:54 PM
The French use soap? That's news...
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:50 PM
Yep, they do!! And most stay skinny too after they turn 25....
Posted by: Dolores | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:54 PM
10/12/05
ABRAMS: Do you believe that Joran, Deepak and Satish were involved in Natalee's disappearance?
DOMPIG: Well, at this time, I think that all three persons know something that they are not telling, at least not telling us.
ABRAMS: Something about her disappearance?
DOMPIG: Exactly. And I go by the rule of thumb that, in the first 40 days -- as I said in a different program -- the first 40 days, law enforcement has probably also already spoken to the perpetrators.
So we feel strongly that we have already spoken to them. And there's no one else outside this group that could be involved or responsible.
So sometimes people will ask us that, "Are you not tunnel-visioned? Maybe you should look at other possibilities." Of course. We did that. But we still feel that, every time you go on a path, a different path, that path leads back, comes back to these three boys.
-------------------------------------------------------------
CBS 48 Hours 3/25/06
Troy:
Beth Twitty believes that Natalee was brought back to Joran's home, possible?
Dompig;
Possible
Wherever she was, she died suddenly of an overdose, that's what we believe.
We feel strongly that she probably went into shock, or something happened to her system with all this alcohol maybe on top of that other drugs, that she took or they gave and that she just collapsed.
we are not talking about killers here. It is possible that there was a second group involved, or more than these 3 boys.
I'm convinced that there is not a crime of this proportion that goes unseen, but to this point we just have to guess
Troy:
Joran told us on the phone he never gave Natalee any drugs. There has not been a shred of evidence found in the van der Sloot house, property or Deepak Kalpoe's car
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Bigfish
Posted by: Bigfish | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:54 PM
Can you get that at Sams? CK, pick me up a case of that "youth" while you're out. Thanks.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:52 PM
What brand?
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:55 PM
New Years Eve -- 2005. It makes me wonder exactly what Claire meant by Natalee could handle her alcohol. A shot, a single shot of Bacardi 151 rum would NOT make her drunk, if she routinely attended parties that were this well stocked. (This is only ONE table at the party, and doesnt include the wine, other booze, or the beer.)
Is it just me or is there a hell of a lot of booze on that table. Notice there is a bottle of something right by one of the vodka bottles. And look at the soda bottle they have been mixing drinks. When I used a magnifing program you can see none of those bottles have been opened yet.
http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/viewtopic.php?t=32&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=400
Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:56 PM
brand: wasted
Posted by: iquitos | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:58 PM
Just drop it in the water, their tracking system will pick it up.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:48 PM
AHAHAHA...good one.
Posted by: Lexy | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:58 PM
Bigfish:
Chief Dompig states that they 'think' the body was buried and then dug up and re-buried. He thinks the boys are still suspects and they may have had help in doing this. IF she died an accidental death from drugs/alcohol or a combination; WHY would they even bury the body, there is no crime unless they gave her drugs and there is no evidence that they did. There is a tight time line and not much time for messing around with burying a body once, let alone twice. What do you think?
Have the Holland authorities shown up for their part of the dunes search? All I ever heard was that they were waiting for them to come.
I have had it confirmed that of the original two security guards arrested they were found to have personal items belonging to the MB kids and the one was a known drug connection on the island. Why has this never been investigated or talked about? Thanks Moey
Posted by: moey | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:01 PM
Can you get that at Sams? CK, pick me up a case of that "youth" while you're out. Thanks.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:52 PM
What brand?
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:55 PM
McWane is fine. If not, Weatherby will do in a pinch.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:02 PM
Posted by: moey | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:01 PM
It did not fit Beth Ann's agenda. To divulge that the MB students were trading, bartering,and purchasing drugs would have been counter to her "character establishment". Absolve the chaperones of liability so they cooperate....issue statements stating the guards were innocent and should be released...Why are Jones and John so quiet now...where is there two cents worth? Beth knew when she got to Aruba what had happened. Deny and lie. IMO
Posted by: pathenry | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:07 PM
Wonder what happened to Natalee's watch and necklace in the "last photo"? Why no souveniers? Money mangagement priorities?
Posted by: pathenry | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:08 PM
is refugees unleashed down?
Posted by: iquitos | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:10 PM
it is weatherly.
Posted by: iquitos | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:12 PM
Posted by: iquitos | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:10 PM
I'm having trouble also...just started trying,don't know how long it has been like that.
Posted by: pathenry | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:12 PM
..Why are Jones and John so quiet now...
pathenry | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:07 PM
I'm curious about this too, can anyone from Aruba give us an update on what's been happening with them?
Posted by: Lexy | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:12 PM
Posted by: iquitos | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:10 PM
I'm having trouble also...just started trying,don't know how long it has been like that.
Posted by: pathenry | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:12 PM
Yes it's down until about 3am central.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:14 PM
Yes it's down until about 3am central.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:14 PM
You haven't been banned from there yet? lol
Posted by: 26ANDCOUNTING | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:17 PM
CBS 48 Hours 3/25/06
Troy:
Beth Twitty believes that Natalee was brought back to Joran's home, possible?
Dompig;
Possible
Troy;
Some people think she may have ruin away from an unreastic expectation of her mother and step father, possible?
Domig;
Possible
Troy;
Some have also suggested she was left at the thebach as Joran claims, and as she was walking back, by Moomba bar, began talking to someone with a sailboat who was there for Soul Beach Fest, and just climbed on board and left with that boat the next day, possible?
Dompig;
Possible
Troy;
Some claim to have seen her swimming, and possibly drowned, and the current dragged her away from the Island, possible?
Dompig;
Possible
Troy;
Some have also theorized that it was an alien abduction, they said there were bright lights in the sky that night, possible?
Dompig;
Possible
Troy;
And then there is the spontaneous combustion theory, possible?
Dompig;
Possible
Posted by: MoonShadow | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:18 PM
Posted by: iquitos | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:10 PM
I'm having trouble also...just started trying,don't know how long it has been like that.
Posted by: pathenry | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:12 PM
It is very slow, but is still up.
Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:18 PM
School Starting Without Holloway
Yellow Ribbons on University of Alabama Campus Mark Absence of Missing Teen
GMA Headlines
Aug. 22, 2005 — ABC NEWS
The Investigation Continues
"On Saturday, Aruban Prime Minister Nelson Oduber met with Twitty to assure her Aruban officials would not stop looking for answers in Natalee's disappearance. He also urged Twitty to be "more careful" about her comments regarding Aruba's judicial system and the investigation so far, adding that many Arubans, himself included, "have stood by her side."
Oduber also addressed Arubans, some of whom have expressed resentment at Twitty's criticism of the investigation. Oduber asked Arubans for "a bit of understanding" for Twitty and said "it's very painful to have a child with a brilliant future disappear."
Twitty told "Good Morning America" that Aruba "is a small island and everybody knows everybody else's business," adding there was "no excuse" for officials not to solve the mystery of her daughter's disappearance."
Posted by: pathenry | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:19 PM
Yes it's down until about 3am central.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:14 PM
You haven't been banned from there yet? lol
Posted by: 26ANDCOUNTING | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:17 PM
Maybe, but admin says the forum is also having difficulties. It aint just me this time.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:20 PM
Claire Fierman: (When did Claire realize Natalee was not there the next day?) The next morning, I was on an earlier flight than everybody else, and Francis Ellen, one of our friends, came and found me and Katherine in the airport and told us that Natalee wasn`t flying home, that they did not know where she was. source
On an earlier flight than EVERYBODY else? Which flight was that?
Posted by: iquitos | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:21 PM
Claire Fierman: (When did Claire realize Natalee was not there the next day?) The next morning, I was on an earlier flight than everybody else, and Francis Ellen, one of our friends, came and found me and Katherine in the airport and told us that Natalee wasn`t flying home, that they did not know where she was. source
On an earlier flight than EVERYBODY else? Which flight was that?
Posted by: iquitos | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:21 PM
McWane jet?
Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:23 PM
Posted by: iquitos | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:21 PM
The champagne flight? The red-eye? with Ginny Page?
Posted by: pathenry | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:24 PM
Claire Fierman: (When did Claire realize Natalee was not there the next day?) The next morning, I was on an earlier flight than everybody else, and Francis Ellen, one of our friends, came and found me and Katherine in the airport and told us that Natalee wasn`t flying home, that they did not know where she was. source
On an earlier flight than EVERYBODY else? Which flight was that?
Posted by: iquitos | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:21 PM
On the black helicopter.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:24 PM
Hey Moon ;)
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:26 PM
Hi Bigfish. I live my new name. Thanks !
Posted by: "HurricaneMary" | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:27 PM
On the black helicopter.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:24 PM
where Natalee was waiting, reading Dr. Spock.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:28 PM
opps...I "like" my new name. Thanks for being so creative.
Posted by: "HurricaneMary" | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:28 PM
remember herbert saw one of those black helicopters too come in a take someone out when he was following them. we heard that from whom?
Posted by: iquitos | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:28 PM
Twitty told "Good Morning America" that Aruba "is a small island and everybody knows everybody else's business," adding there was "no excuse" for officials not to solve the mystery of her daughter's disappearance."
Posted by: pathenry | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:19 PM
Yep there is no excuse what so ever !! Can we say coverup. LOL
Posted by: "HurricaneMary" | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:29 PM
where Natalee was waiting, reading Dr. Spock.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:28 PM
Bingo!
Posted by: iquitos | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:30 PM
Hi Vivi, nice to see you.
Posted by: "HurricaneMary" | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:30 PM
Rainy days and Mondays always get me down.... Hey y'all.. any news?
Posted by: SouthernBelle | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:31 PM
Bet when Joran went off to Holland to school his classes were all acting classes. He did quite well at it. Bet he passed with flying colors.
Posted by: "HurricaneMary" | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:32 PM
Refugees is back up(at least it is working for me)
Posted by: pathenry | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:32 PM
remember herbert saw one of those black helicopters too come in a take someone out when he was following them. we heard that from whom?
Posted by: iquitos | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:28
Beth with her reporter...who came in the dark with secret info..and then gone..gone..gone..
I thinks he is in colmbia with the gardner and the jogger and some other guy who had seen everything but didn't..
lol
Posted by: edward | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:32 PM
you want helicopters i give you helicopters. you must keep you eye on ball:
Well, it looks like Huberto from The Diario has re-surfaced. Huberto was the reporter who was convinced months ago that he was hot on the trial of Natalee and there would soon "be a happy ending".
He now reports that as recently as end of August, he was tracking a young woman (I think he thinks this is Natalee with dyed hair) in the company of men, who were shuttling her between houses on Aruba.
He claims (hope he taped or recorded the event) that in August he was awfully close and he saw the group arrive at a house on the island in a silver car. Before he could alert authorities a helicopter swooped in and landed on the property. People got in. He knows nothing else.
On Phil show.
Posted by: berry | Thursday, November 17, 2005 at 03:42 PM
Posted by: iquitos | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:33 PM
Ashley Merrill, left, and Abby Andrews prepare for a cookout to benefit the family of Natalee Holloway, June 21, 2005, in Mountain Brook, Ala. (Photo: AP)
http://tinyurl.com/eensl
Where were the "friends"..picking up the liqour?
Posted by: pathenry | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:35 PM
Hi Mary! Welcome to RWV.
Posted by: iwabwu | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:36 PM
Some large yachts have choppers and so do some cruise ships. I still think Natalee joined a religious group. Does the Scientology ship have a chopper?
Posted by: Bitsey | Nov 17, 2005 5:08:58 PM
I wonder what kind of military helicopters are in the area? Business/news media helicopters?
Posted by: @ ~iwabwu~ @ | Thursday, November 17, 2005 at 05:26 PM
Posted by: iquitos | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:36 PM
http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/viewtopic.php?t=32&start=375
Nice pic of the friends... with names. You will find this one handy iquitos.
Posted by: pathenry | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:37 PM
Fine, if y'all can't say Hi I will go and play at the Palace just lurk. Meanies!
Posted by: SouthernBelle | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:38 PM
Rainy days and Mondays always get me down.... Hey y'all.. any news?
Posted by: SouthernBelle | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:31 PM
Hiya Belle!! Only the usual.....
Posted by: Dolores | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:38 PM
Posted by: MoonShadow | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:18 PM
Wouldn't a swimmer be shown on the Aruban water tracking system/radar? Was there a body there that night? Would the radar know the difference between a dead/living person and a large piece of wood?
Were there witnesses at Moomba?
Posted by: iwabwu | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:39 PM
Hi Dolores, didn't I just see you over at The Blogs for Natalee chat ?
Posted by: "HurricaneMary" | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:40 PM
Don't think so.. my addiction is limited to RWV.
Posted by: Dolores | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:41 PM
Hi Vivi, nice to see you.
Posted by: "HurricaneMary" | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:30 PM
Hi, do I know you?
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:41 PM
Hey Delores! Warm n Sunny in Aruba? Wish I was there!
Hi HurricaneMary, welcome abroad... err aboard.
Posted by: SouthernBelle | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:41 PM
If Deepak doesn't care enough to do anything about Skeeter's tapes, why should the news media care?
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 02:29 PM
I've never read that an officially sanctioned version of the tapes has been released by an LW (ALE or FBI). So, I am keeping an open mind as to what was said on the tapes. JMHO
Posted by: iwabwu | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:41 PM
This forum is nothing but a chat room for so many want to only defend any speculations about the obvious dynamics of this case. It looks like Dan has even jumped ship about he case since little is posted on the main page about the case. I wonder how long before Dan just abolishes this banter back and forth while fewer posters continue posting anything factual or relevant about Natalee's disappearance.
Posted by: Isanah | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:41 PM
Fine, if y'all can't say Hi I will go and play at the Palace just lurk. Meanies!
Posted by: SouthernBelle | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:38 PM
HIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:42 PM
http://i1.tinypic.com/sdlksh.jpg
katherine jane weatherly.
Posted by: iquitos | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:43 PM
Hi ViVi! Happy Monday Everyone! I see we didn't find Natalee today, but the day is not over. JMHO
Posted by: iwabwu | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:43 PM
On the black helicopter.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:24 PM
where Natalee was waiting, reading Dr. Spock.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:28 PM
and timing her contractions.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:43 PM
Have the Holland authorities shown up for their part of the dunes search? All I ever heard was that they were waiting for them to come.
I have had it confirmed that of the original two security guards arrested they were found to have personal items belonging to the MB kids and the one was a known drug connection on the island. Why has this never been investigated or talked about? Thanks Moey
Posted by: moey | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:01 PM
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moey-
One group from Ohio concluded their "GPR" search of the "dunes" last week.
I do not know if the Dutch group is coming or not as has been reported.
I honestly don't put a lot of stock into what Dompig or Cohen say. Sometimes they say what people would like to hear and sometimes the opposite.
The information regarding the AKA "security guards", has been well known for months and is a good example what this family and MSM will stoop to.
You just can't believe a word they say. :>(
Bigfish
Posted by: Bigfish | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:43 PM
This forum is nothing but a chat room for so many want to only defend any speculations about the obvious dynamics of this case. It looks like Dan has even jumped ship about he case since little is posted on the main page about the case. I wonder how long before Dan just abolishes this banter back and forth while fewer posters continue posting anything factual or relevant about Natalee's disappearance.
Posted by: Isanah | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:41 PM
That's the truth and it is obvious that Dan just keeps letting the same banned posters back in again just to cause trouble.
Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:43 PM
GrannyToad and Mt.Brook Mom and Anna, Fred and several other good folks post there. A really nice place.
Posted by: "HurricaneMary" | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:41 PM
I see! Sounds great! I'm sure with people like Granny Toad and Anna one can have nice, open discussions about the case.
Posted by: Dolores | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:44 PM
see! Sounds great! I'm sure with people like Granny Toad and Anna one can have nice, open discussions about the case.
Posted by: Dolores | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:44 PM
ROFLMAO
Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:44 PM
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:42 PM
Heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy back!
Posted by: SouthernBelle | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:45 PM
HurricaneMary=Sprite/Casey Jones/!/Mary
DUH??? Talk about slow!
Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:46 PM
Hi Bigfish. I live my new name. Thanks !
Posted by: "HurricaneMary" | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:27 PM
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Quite actually, it didn't come from me. ;)
BF
Posted by: Bigfish | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:46 PM
welcome aboard madamme.
Posted by: iquitos | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:46 PM
On the black helicopter.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:24 PM
where Natalee was waiting, reading Dr. Spock.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:28 PM
and timing her contractions.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:43 PM
while sipping a martini.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:46 PM
Posted by: Dolores | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:44 PM
Lmao!! Gosh, I have missed Anna :)
Posted by: SouthernBelle | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:46 PM
Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:44 PM
;-)
Posted by: Dolores | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:46 PM
This forum is nothing but a chat room for so many want to only defend any speculations about the obvious dynamics of this case. It looks like Dan has even jumped ship about he case since little is posted on the main page about the case. I wonder how long before Dan just abolishes this banter back and forth while fewer posters continue posting anything factual or relevant about Natalee's disappearance.
Posted by: Isanah | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:41 PM
Should we abandon the obvious speculations in favor of the absurd?
Facts (relevant, too):
Prime suspect has lied repeatedly about his involvement with Natalee Holloway during the last moments she was known to be alive. He appears to be lying still. He appears guilty of criminal wrong-doing.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:48 PM
Isanah | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:41 PM
why don't you start the ball rolling then. remember factual or relevant....ok start.....
Posted by: Lexy | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:48 PM
On the black helicopter.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:24 PM
where Natalee was waiting, reading Dr. Spock.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:28 PM
and timing her contractions.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:43 PM
while sipping a martini.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:46 PM
and freebasing.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:48 PM
Hi Belle Dolores & Vivi!!
Posted by: 26ANDCOUNTING | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:49 PM
the helo story is real. it came from the quivering lips of EARHT herself.
Posted by: iquitos | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:49 PM
if a person could dig up a body shortly after it was buried and rebury it it wouldn't bother them to do it again would it? at that rate Dompig will never find her
Posted by: hopingforthebest | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:49 PM
http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/viewtopic.php?t=32&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=400
Another shot of Katherine...and a good shot of Claire and enough liquor to keep the Fab 7 giddy for awhile.
Posted by: pathenry | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:50 PM
It looks like Dan has even jumped ship about he case since little is posted on the main page about the case. I wonder how long before Dan just abolishes this banter back and forth while fewer posters continue posting anything factual or relevant about Natalee's disappearance.
Posted by: Isanah | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:41 PM
Isanah, Dan has posted articles up front but just the other day, the longest word used was you crack wh.re so no great loss I guess when he keeps the articles to a minimum :-(.
Posted by: Dolores | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:50 PM
don't provoke dan. i like it here.
Posted by: iquitos | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:50 PM
Posted by: Isanah | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:41 PM
Let's see.. in 10 months I have seen the SOS posted over and over.. and over again. Once theres something new, I am sure it will be discussed til we are all blue in the face, until then whats wrong with a bit goodwill and banter instead of nasty insults!
Posted by: SouthernBelle | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:51 PM
Yeah right iwabwu...no one is welcome here unless they "hate" Beth.
Posted by: "HurricaneMary" | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:37 PM
I don't hate Beth. We have diversity of view point. I do not believe there are any trolls here - only people who may disagree in a gentle manner. Well, after writing that, perhaps not everyone welcomes all posters. There are some, that welcome everyone. Welcome.
Posted by: iwabwu | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:51 PM
Posted by: Dolores | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:50 PM
in the comments, I must add....
Posted by: Dolores | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:51 PM
Oh gosh, it must be "happy hour!"
BF
Posted by: Bigfish | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:51 PM
Posted by: SouthernBelle | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:51 PM
Hi Belle. I am just posting SOS and staying away from the negative bantering. :>)
Posted by: pathenry | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:52 PM
Hey 26!! Happy Monday :)
Posted by: SouthernBelle | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:53 PM
On the black helicopter.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:24 PM
where Natalee was waiting, reading Dr. Spock.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:28 PM
and timing her contractions.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:43 PM
while sipping a martini.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:46 PM
and popping pills
Posted by: plhtx | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:53 PM
Posted by: 26ANDCOUNTING | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:49 PM
Greatings to you as well!
Posted by: Dolores | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:53 PM
the more times you dig it up and bury it again the messier it gets. starts leaking putrid fluids. this process ought to be pretty fast in a hot place. they would leave evidence all over unless very careful. not just any nerd is smart enough to wrap a body so it does not leak.
Posted by: iquitos | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:53 PM
On the black helicopter.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:24 PM
where Natalee was waiting, reading Dr. Spock.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:28 PM
and timing her contractions.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:43 PM
while sipping a martini.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:46 PM
and freebasing.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:48 PM
while penning her memoir, "In the House of My Parents."
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:54 PM
while knitting booties.
Posted by: iquitos | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:54 PM
Lexy looks like Salksalk.
Posted by: coastal | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:55 PM
"She told me her mom was Hitler's sister," he said.
Posted by: pathenry | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:55 PM
On the black helicopter.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:24 PM
where Natalee was waiting, reading Dr. Spock.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:28 PM
and timing her contractions.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:43 PM
while sipping a martini.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:46 PM
and freebasing.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:48 PM
while penning her memoir, "In the House of My Parents."
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:54 PM
and making racial slurs.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:56 PM
Well, where did it come from?
Posted by: "HurricaneMary" | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:52 PM
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Classified. You're an imposter anyway. You're too literate to be Casey/Sprite/Botched/!/~~ME~~/Doughboy/Mary/etc. ;)
BF
Posted by: Bigfish | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:56 PM
would earht not be your heroine?
Posted by: iquitos | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:56 PM
On the black helicopter.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:24 PM
where Natalee was waiting, reading Dr. Spock.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:28 PM
and timing her contractions.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:43 PM
while sipping a martini.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:46 PM
and freebasing.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:48 PM
while penning her memoir, "In the House of My Parents."
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:54 PM
and making racial slurs.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:56 PM
while dressing like a slut
Posted by: plhtx | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:57 PM
someone on one of the boards posted that they think Dompig has already found NH. I hope that is not the case because the rumble from Ala. would cause a tidal wave of epic prop.
Posted by: hopingforthebest | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:58 PM
Another one of Joran's lies. Paulus told him to say that. Be willing to bet ya !
Sweat Paulus sweat !! Need a towel ?
Posted by: "HurricaneMary" | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:57 PM
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Mr. VDS will be getting his big payday soon. Heh Heh.
BF
Posted by: Bigfish | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:00 PM
Posted by: hopingforthebest | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:58 PM
What makes you think she isn't buired somewhere in the US? "I buried her on June 11th" doesn't mean Beth was there....she had to keep the story moving.
Posted by: pathenry | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:00 PM
On the black helicopter.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:24 PM
where Natalee was waiting, reading Dr. Spock.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:28 PM
and timing her contractions.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:43 PM
while sipping a martini.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:46 PM
and freebasing.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:48 PM
while penning her memoir, "In the House of My Parents."
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:54 PM
and making racial slurs.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:56 PM
while dressing like a slut
Posted by: plhtx | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:57 PM
and doing occupational therapy for Aspergers.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:00 PM
dompig has not found natalee's body any more than the twittys took her off the island in a straight jacket to a home in arkansas. Natalee is alive in Colombia with her Narco boyfriend,
Posted by: iquitos | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:00 PM
Bigfish:
Thanks. I keep watching for new about the Holland team that is 'coming' for searching with their equipment, but never read anything.
I don't understand why the main interviewers don't ask Beth/Jug these questions about the MB kids items in the possession of Jones??? You can't just keep softballing on interviews, especially on something that has captured the attention of so many people. I was very dissappointed in the Dompig interview. When Beth cried at the end, I almost threw up -- with all the locals who have reported on her demeanor and activities when the cameras are not around, I just don't buy it anymore. It sounds cold hearted and I'm a pretty big softie, I just don't believe her act.
Keep us posted on anything you hear. Thanks again. Moey
Posted by: moey | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:01 PM
i buried her on june 11 and i am not telling you where until you tell me what joran did to her.
Posted by: iquitos | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:01 PM
and doing occupational therapy for Aspergers.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:00 PM
ROFLMAO...I think you just went over the line on that one
Posted by: plhtx | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:02 PM
and waving a Nazi flaging sining I am the offspring of Hitlers sisters daughter but I can't stay in step with my routines because I didn't take my medicine for AS
Posted by: hopingforthebest | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:02 PM
What makes you think she isn't buired somewhere in the US? "I buried her on June 11th" doesn't mean Beth was there....she had to keep the story moving.
Posted by: pathenry | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:00 PM
Wonder why, despite his disdain for Beth, even Dompig thinks she's buried on the island. Wonder why he's pointing fingers at Joran et al and not the eevil Mountain Brook teens.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:02 PM
good evening all
Posted by: bella | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:02 PM
On the black helicopter.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:24 PM
where Natalee was waiting, reading Dr. Spock.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:28 PM
and timing her contractions.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:43 PM
while sipping a martini.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:46 PM
and freebasing.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:48 PM
while penning her memoir, "In the House of My Parents."
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:54 PM
and making racial slurs.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:56 PM
while dressing like a slut
Posted by: plhtx | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:57 PM
while dictating a letter to Paulus
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:03 PM
Y'all better hope he hasn't found her body... cause then what will yall talk about???
Posted by: SouthernBelle | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:03 PM
When Beth cried at the end, I almost threw up --
Jeez what this woman's antics bring out in otherwise nice people!
Posted by: iquitos | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:03 PM
sinig=singing LOL
Posted by: hopingforthebest | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:03 PM
You all sure have alot of fun being sarcastic about Natalee right?? Humor I guess... let's make alot of fun about this person we all care so much for... Hahaha?....... Or are you talking about Dompig?
The "Beth Bashers" have not joined in the fun I see. Good. Guess they're not so bad after all....
Posted by: Dolores | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:04 PM
hi bella: this place is outta hand tonight.
Posted by: iquitos | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:04 PM
aw forget about it for awhile - I see too much hating firing up. Back later.
Posted by: bella | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:05 PM
On the black helicopter.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:24 PM
where Natalee was waiting, reading Dr. Spock.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:28 PM
and timing her contractions.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:43 PM
while sipping a martini.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:46 PM
and freebasing.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:48 PM
while penning her memoir, "In the House of My Parents."
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:54 PM
and making racial slurs.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:56 PM
while dressing like a slut
Posted by: plhtx | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:57 PM
while dictating a letter to Paulus
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:03 PM
And singinig Freebird.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:05 PM
the helo story is real. it came from the quivering lips of EARHT herself.
Posted by: iquitos | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:49 PM
Another opportunity to be on Dr. Phil's and talk about the sex slave business. Same show, she uttered without a doubt that a phone call had happened recently. With her years of professional experience as a speech therapist, she was able to discern that the utterances on the other end of the line were from Natalee. Beth needs to make up her mind -- slave trade, murder, accidental overdose.
Posted by: sensible1 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:06 PM
Southern Belle when this case is over I'm done with detective work.too wearing on the nerves
Posted by: hopingforthebest | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:06 PM
-- slave trade, murder, accidental overdose.
Posted by: sensible1 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:06 PM
whatever sells.
Posted by: iquitos | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:08 PM
You all sure have alot of fun being sarcastic about Natalee right?? Humor I guess... let's make alot of fun about this person we all care so much for... Hahaha?....... Or are you talking about Dompig?
The "Beth Bashers" have not joined in the fun I see. Good. Guess they're not so bad after all....
Posted by: Dolores | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:04 PM
Not making fun of Natalee at all. Poking fun at the nutty conspiracy theories tossed around. I can poke fun at Dompig also. What do you want to talk about?
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:08 PM
Hoping, I think you said it... to most here its an investigation, playing detective.. a challenge. It's like a mystery novel... we all want to solve it. Unforunately, it and when it's solved there will probably be another one to take its place.
Posted by: SouthernBelle | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:08 PM
Sorry Fish. Money don't buy the real truth. Its in your mind and will never vanish.
He will have to live with it and oh what a miserable live that must be.
Money will not buy peace of mind. Not ever. For none of the ones involved.
Posted by: "HurricaneMary" | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:03 PM
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Bull$hat! LMAO! Show me the money! :>)
Bigfish
Posted by: Bigfish | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:09 PM
if this were the monkeys they would have been on you for quote stacks by now.
Posted by: iquitos | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:09 PM
You all sure have alot of fun being sarcastic about Natalee right?? Humor I guess... let's make alot of fun about this person we all care so much for... Hahaha?....... Or are you talking about Dompig?
The "Beth Bashers" have not joined in the fun I see. Good. Guess they're not so bad after all....
Posted by: Dolores | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:04 PM
It's been thrown at us for so long....thought we might write a song
Posted by: plhtx | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:09 PM
And singinig Freebird.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:05 PM
OK.. I think you have beaten this horse to death..
Posted by: 26ANDCOUNTING | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:09 PM
if this were the monkeys they would have been on you for quote stacks by now.
Posted by: iquitos | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:09 PM
It aint
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:10 PM
we could talk about what a good job that radar system is doing keeping drugs off the island
Posted by: hopingforthebest | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:11 PM
what is on the justice shows tonite of interest? another high schooler b----- by his sexy teacher?
Posted by: iquitos | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:11 PM
Anybody wanna come play with me on Palace? You know you want to!
Posted by: SouthernBelle | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:11 PM
And singinig Freebird.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:05 PM
OK.. I think you have beaten this horse to death..
Posted by: 26ANDCOUNTING | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:09 PM
Yeah, you're right--but I had help, you know?
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:12 PM
sensible1...did you ever find your marbles. ???
Posted by: "HurricaneMary" | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:07 PM
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
LMAO-Did you ever find your meds. Prolly not. LOL ;>)
BF
Posted by: Bigfish | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:12 PM
Anybody wanna come play with me on Palace? You know you want to!
Posted by: SouthernBelle | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:11 PM
Sure. BRT
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:13 PM
I don't understand why the main interviewers don't ask Beth/Jug these questions about the MB kids items in the possession of Jones??? You can't just keep softballing on interviews, especially on something that has captured the attention of so many people. I was very dissappointed in the Dompig interview. When Beth cried at the end, I almost threw up -- with all the locals who have reported on her demeanor and activities when the cameras are not around, I just don't buy it anymore. It sounds cold hearted and I'm a pretty big softie, I just don't believe her act.
Keep us posted on anything you hear. Thanks again. Moey
Posted by: moey | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:01 PM
Beth/Jug have not been questioned about stuff stolen from other kids because the comparison is both insulting and inane.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:13 PM
didn't joran beat a horse to death once?
Posted by: iquitos | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:13 PM
whatever sells.
Posted by: iquitos | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:08 PM
A whole new industry has been developed.
Posted by: sensible1 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:13 PM
Beth is my HERO ! I feel sad for her that she may never know how her daughter really died.
Posted by: "HurricaneMary" | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:55 PM
Mary,
I sometimes think that the 'Beth hating' is just another red herring or straw man. Detracts from looking for and finding the truth. If we find the truth of what happened that night, I think there's a good chance we'll find Natalee ~ regardless of where she might be. JMHO
To find the truth, people have to step up to the plate and tell the truth. To truth is sometimes painful and it can hurt. The truth is what it is, and everyone has to live with it. However, lies hurt forever. JMHO
Truth can remain silent. Lies must be spoken. ~ Mason Cooley
Posted by: iwabwu | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:13 PM
we could talk about what a good job that radar system is doing keeping drugs off the island
Posted by: hopingforthebest | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:11 PM
I wonder how many feet stepped in the water that night. I guess they could count how many people went for a swim that night.
Posted by: plhtx | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:14 PM
didn't joran beat a horse to death once?
Posted by: iquitos | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:13 PM
I've never heard that. Where is it from?
Posted by: iwabwu | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:14 PM
Where are all you Beth Bashers? OH..Must have gone over to the REFRIGEES PLACE.
That place is as bad as this place. Birds of a feather flock together they say.
Posted by: "HurricaneMary" | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:13 PM
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Only about two months till "hurricane season." You better "batten down the hatches." :>)
BF
Posted by: Bigfish | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:15 PM
Truth can remain silent. Lies must be spoken. ~ Mason Cooley
Posted by: iwabwu | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:13 PM
Mason is wrong. You can lie by omission and staying silent
You need a new quote.
Posted by: sensible1 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:16 PM
good quote wabbi. re the horse it was a play on another reference. it is not true nor is the plate glass window or the dog.
Posted by: iquitos | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:16 PM
didn't joran beat a horse to death once?
Posted by: iquitos | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:13 PM
I think it as a litter of newborn kittens. (JOKE)
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:16 PM
we could talk about what a good job that radar system is doing keeping drugs off the island
Posted by: hopingforthebest | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:11 PM
I wonder how many feet stepped in the water that night. I guess they could count how many people went for a swim that night.
Posted by: plhtx | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:14 PM
I also wonder if there is an overlap with the beach. Tide goes in and tied goes out. Is it a fixed system? Would it pick up the number of people on the beach? How would it know where the waves are at any given moment. Maybe the tracking system has more information than anyone could have imagined. JMHO
Posted by: iwabwu | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:17 PM
Only about two months till "hurricane season." You better "batten down the hatches." :>)
Posted by: Bigfish | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:15 PM
...or the love bowls will be out again to help fix the house.
Posted by: sensible1 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:18 PM
Truth can remain silent. Lies must be spoken. ~ Mason Cooley
Posted by: iwabwu | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:13 PM
Mason is wrong. You can lie by omission and staying silent
You need a new quote.
Posted by: sensible1 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:16 PM
Is it possible that some in that case are causing a lie by omission and staying silent?
Posted by: iwabwu | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:18 PM
didn't joran beat a horse to death once?
Posted by: iquitos | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:13 PM
I think it as a litter of newborn kittens. (JOKE)
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:16 PM
I thought it was a dog. (no joke)
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:19 PM
aruba is not even in the hurricane zone but was hit by a terrible hurricane, LIZ, last summer. Still not fully recovered.
Posted by: iquitos | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:20 PM
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:21 AM
"They can't turn their focus from Beth", how true can that be? All to often seen here as well .......... Thanks for the post Vivi
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Is Pearl not coming back?Both her & Granny have a lot of good insight on this case.
Posted by: greeneyedlady | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:14 PM
She probably feels that the NH blogosphere has now turned into the NH blogosmear....jmo
Posted by: Lexy | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 03:26 PM
I too miss Granny and Pearl
Knot, Gel, Lexy, plhtx, Valk, Vivi, looking4info, hoping, iwabwu….. to mention a few, this train (a TGV) is picking up speed daily……..the other ole steamer is losing ‘it’……woooooops….’steam’ that is.
Good timing southernBelle…..
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Hi HurricaneMary, welcome abroad... err aboard.
Posted by: SouthernBelle | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:41 PM
HurricaneMary welcome :)
Posted by: rusti | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:21 PM
no cate no dog. another lie put out to demonize.
Posted by: iquitos | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:21 PM
Is it possible that some in that case are causing a lie by omission and staying silent?
Posted by: iwabwu | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:18 PM
Sure. Someone knows something and hasn't spoken. So how can truth stay silent??
Posted by: sensible1 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:21 PM
Only ONE WEEK until April 3rd! Time flys when you're having "fun" with your "friends."
Hopefully Karen Janssen will have all of her "ducks in a row!" ;>)
BF
Posted by: Bigfish | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:22 PM
Nothing wrong with a laugh or two on here.. y'all are such sticklers... no wonder we go to the Palace while we lurk. You are all welcome if you need a break :)
Posted by: SouthernBelle | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:23 PM
AFLAC, AFLAC, AFLAC, AFLAC, AFLAC, AFLAC, AFLAC, AFLAC
Posted by: iquitos | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:23 PM
Sure. Someone knows something and hasn't spoken. So how can truth stay silent??
Posted by: sensible1 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:21 PM
Didn't you listent to Dompig? Someone has spoken.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:25 PM
Must have gotten a lot of donations. Flood insurance is very expensive.
Posted by: kat | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:27 PM
Hi rusti.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:28 PM
Didn't you listent to Dompig? Someone has spoken.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:25 PM
LOL - like Junior at the dump?
Posted by: sensible1 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:30 PM
Didn't you listent to Dompig? Someone has spoken.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:25 PM
LOL - like Junior at the dump?
Posted by: sensible1 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:30 PM
Did Dompig say Junior was credible?
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:31 PM
LOL - like Junior at the dump?
Posted by: sensible1 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:30 PM
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Wasn't Junior the "beer runner" for the "search team." :>)
BF
Posted by: Bigfish | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:33 PM
Did Dompig say Junior was credible?
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:31 PM
I have no idea. This so-called credible witness came forward via a bartender. Until a body is dug up I'll pass on the "credible" part.
Posted by: sensible1 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:35 PM
hey Rusti.... :)
Posted by: SouthernBelle | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:35 PM
More new Nik Names. LMAO
BF
Posted by: Bigfish | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:42 PM
Lexy looks like Salksalk.
Posted by: coastal | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:55 PM
LOL, I have a daughter her age. I'm from the same Province you are.
Posted by: Lexy | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:46 PM
So, how would you do it? Genetic counseling before conception? Violence predictions dictate who can legally conceive? What if we discover that a 3 year old was missed in the screening process, but has the violence predisposition--kill them? What kind of probability is good enough for you? What about violent recidivists in today's society--a fight in school at age 9, domestic violence at age 23, robbery at age 26--should we round up the 9 year olds fighting in school and kill them since they show a propensity for violence?
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:13 PM
I think once proven scientific tests are available, it should be mandatory during the first 3 months of gestation.
As for 9 year olds that have a tendancy towards violence...what do you suggest? Hugs and a round of kumbaha?
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:55 PM
Hi rusti! Remember, everyone is new at some time or another. Natalee's been missing for almost a year. MO
Posted by: iwabwu | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:56 PM
One week to even start a criminal investigation...
Criminal Investigation Launched In Case Of Missing Boys
UPDATED: 6:51 am EST March 27, 2006
MILWAUKEE -- Milwaukee police said the week-old case of two missing boys has turned into a criminal investigation.
A police spokeswoman said "canvassing by the task force as well as leads and tips" led them to that conclusion.
Anne Schwartz said providing more details would compromise the investigation. However, she said it wasn't just one detail but an "amassing of information" that led to the change in focus.
But Schwartz said there's still no evidence that a crime has been committed. She said police are not ruling out any scenarios.
The two boys, ages 11 and 12, were last seen March 19. That's when the friends asked one boy's grandfather if they could play basketball at a nearby park.
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/8279851/detail.html
Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:59 PM
Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:59 PM
Yep, and I would bet everything I own LE will NOT search for 9 months. If nothing is founf within the next week. LE will stop searching.
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:02 PM
The first thing Beth did when she got to the island was to meet with the DEA to lie about Natalee's "character." Beth say's she knew they were drinking from morning to night. Why did she go with an established agenda? Why did she say she hadn't talked to Mountain Brook students on the trip? Not relevant to her agenda?
Beth is a pathological liar. IMO "Woof"
Posted by: pathenry | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 05:02 PM
What is victim blame?
"Victim blaming is holding the victim responsible for what has happened to her/him. One way in which victim blaming is perpetuated is through rape myths. Rape myths allow us to blame the victim and are often common false beliefs."
http://www.ibiblio.org/rcip//vb.html
http://www.healthyplace.com/Communities/Abuse/lisk/guilt_shame.htm
http://www.healthyplace.com/Communities/Abuse/lisk/blame.htm
Posted by: iwabwu | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:06 PM
we could talk about what a good job that radar system is doing keeping drugs off the island
Posted by: hopingforthebest | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:11 PM
In the latest report (03-01-06) by the USA and UN International Board regarding countries that do not meet their expectations regarding fighting Drugtrafficking and Moneylaundering (blacklist), Aruba once again is not on that list.
Posted by: Loesje | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:06 PM
we could talk about what a good job that radar system is doing keeping drugs off the island
Posted by: hopingforthebest | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:11 PM
or we could talk about what a good job our own govt is doing when it comes to keeping drugs out of this country...or for that matter, being produced in this country.
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:12 PM
Hello room. I have been lurking around the internet for a long time now about this case.
I have stopped here a few time and just read. Decided to sign in and see
what do any of you think about the case now ? Just curious.
I notice you all talk about the case a lot here.
Posted by: TempleOrange | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:13 PM
Hi rusti! Remember, everyone is new at some time or another
Posted by: iwabwu | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:56 PM
I was new to this Blog on Jun05 iwabwu, haven't missed a day of reading.
Sometimes catch-up takes a few hrs.
Following it very closely, and I definitely know who's posts I appreciate. :)
Posted by: rusti | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:15 PM
Canvassing of people and tips have led police to believe that a criminal investigation is warranted, spokeswoman Anne E. Schwartz said at a news conference. But the department "has no evidence that a crime has been committed," she added.
[snip]
She reiterated that police still believe there are people who have information on the boys' disappearance but have not come forward. But she said one reason people might not be talking is because they might be afraid of giving information to the police.
"We also have a huge 'no-snitching' movement with our children," she said.
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=411027
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Police complain they are not getting information from people who have it. The police are not revealing the basis for that statement. But John Donne's words - "no man is an island" - may be truer now than it was in the 17th century, when he penned them. It's tough for two kids to vanish without somebody seeing or knowing something. If they were running away, a theory authorities are considering, the boys would have to rely on others for food and shelter. If they were abducted, the kidnapper may have confided in others or let on inadvertently his or her involvement.
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=411142
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Web site for the boys ~ http://www.henningparker.com/
AMW ~ http://www.amw.com/report_tip/report_tip_special_case.cfm?id=38162
Police Department site ~ http://www.city.milwaukee.gov/display/router.asp?DOCID=317
Posted by: iwabwu | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:16 PM
Hi rusti! Remember, everyone is new at some time or another
Posted by: iwabwu | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:56 PM
I was new to this Blog on Jun05 iwabwu, haven't missed a day of reading.
Sometimes catch-up takes a few hrs.
Following it very closely, and I definitely know who's posts I appreciate. :)
Posted by: rusti | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:15 PM
Then we have been 'friends' a long time, glad you decided to speak! :)
Posted by: SouthernBelle | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:17 PM
Hi rusti! Remember, everyone is new at some time or another
Posted by: iwabwu | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:56 PM
I was new to this Blog on Jun05 iwabwu, haven't missed a day of reading.
Sometimes catch-up takes a few hrs.
Following it very closely, and I definitely know who's posts I appreciate. :)
Posted by: rusti | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:15 PM
Thanks for posting! I always wonder how many readers there are and if they LOL, ROFL, LMAO, or ROFPV (roll on floor projectile vomiting).
Posted by: iwabwu | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:18 PM
I usually keep my ROF comments to myself...but I do have moments.
Posted by: iwabwu | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:18 PM
"Aruba has witnessed a savage crime but hired the wrong consultants, people who are out of touch with how rapidly the world has changed. "Mistakes were made" indeed. The largest of which is viewing Americans for our worst qualities and not playing to our best qualities."
http://arubadirtypolice.blogspot.com/
Interesting commentary. MO
Posted by: iwabwu | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:23 PM
I think once proven scientific tests are available, it should be mandatory during the first 3 months of gestation.
As for 9 year olds that have a tendancy towards violence...what do you suggest? Hugs and a round of kumbaha?
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:55 PM
I don't have it..but I might just be able to get through a friend of a friend... a phone number hookin you up with a Dr. Frankenstein I believe his name is...and you may be able to compare notes and this may help you expediate your plan for world domination or whatever scientific endeavor you might be comtemplating
Posted by: knot | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:24 PM
Thanks for posting! I always wonder how many readers there are and if they LOL, ROFL, LMAO, or ROFPV (roll on floor projectile vomiting).
Posted by: iwabwu | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:18 PM
IMHO
Total 6,847,112
Average Per Day 11,130
Average Visit Length 1:59
Last Hour 537
Today 9,422
This Week 77,913
Posted by: Loesje | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:25 PM
Posted by: knot | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:24 PM
We need you over at the Palace for shi*s n giggles
Posted by: SouthernBelle | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:26 PM
I don't have it..but I might just be able to get through a friend of a friend... a phone number hookin you up with a Dr. Frankenstein I believe his name is...and you may be able to compare notes and this may help you expediate your plan for world domination or whatever scientific endeavor you might be comtemplating
Posted by: knot | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:24 PM
so just toss the murdering 10 year old in jail till he is 35 or 40 and pray to hell he comes out better than he went in. ROFLMAO. What a crazy idea...as if prison really improves ones behavior or social skills. Waste of resources.
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:28 PM
There's a place for shi*s and giggles and this isn't it??
Posted by: coastal | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:31 PM
I don't have it..but I might just be able to get through a friend of a friend... a phone number hookin you up with a Dr. Frankenstein I believe his name is...and you may be able to compare notes and this may help you expediate your plan for world domination or whatever scientific endeavor you might be comtemplating
Posted by: knot | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:24 PM
so just toss the murdering 10 year old in jail till he is 35 or 40 and pray to hell he comes out better than he went in. ROFLMAO. What a crazy idea...as if prison really improves ones behavior or social skills. Waste of resources.
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:28 PM
We were talking about preventing crime, not punishing. We;re talking about the 9 year old fighting at school--could grow up to be a murderer. Just kill em while they're young?
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:31 PM
From http://arubadirtypolice.blogspot.com/ links to this ~
"Julia Renfro Trashes The Holloway/Twitty Family"
http://sundaynightsatellite.libsyn.com/index.php?post_id=73503
The Natalee piece starts at about 22:37 ~ someone linked it the other day, this is an internet replay.
Posted by: iwabwu | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:31 PM
Posted by: knot | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:24 PM
We need you over at the Palace for shi*s n giggles
Posted by: SouthernBelle | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:26 PM
We do.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:32 PM
haha well you definitely can get the shi*s here... but hardly the giggles :)
Posted by: SouthernBelle | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:33 PM
haha well you definitely can get the shi*s here... but hardly the giggles :)
Posted by: SouthernBelle | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:33 PM
I'm giggling.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:35 PM
There is an editorial at Diario about Joran (based on the translator). Any good translation out there yet? http://www.diarioaruba.com/dialuna/editorial/
Posted by: iwabwu | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:35 PM
so just toss the murdering 10 year old in jail till he is 35 or 40 and pray to hell he comes out better than he went in. ROFLMAO. What a crazy idea...as if prison really improves ones behavior or social skills. Waste of resources.
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:28 PM
Well you don't have to get so upset..I was just tryin to help you..when I was nine or ten and I showed certain anti social behavior..my father just took me out back and wore me out and lo and behold I never talked back again..sure glad he and mom didn't have that photorayonscanner thing you're cookin up...I might not be here
Posted by: knot | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:37 PM
We were talking about preventing crime, not punishing. We;re talking about the 9 year old fighting at school--could grow up to be a murderer. Just kill em while they're young?
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:31 PM
if that 9 year old is a constant problem, and has a tendanciy for violence, then he should be removed from society. Why place him in prison, provide him with free college education etc, when he is not a usefull member of society? Waste of resources.
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:37 PM
never talked back again..sure glad he and mom didn't have that photorayonscanner thing you're cookin up...I might not be here
Posted by: knot | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:37 PM
talking back is not violent behavior. rape and murder is. I dont care if you are 7 or 70...it is not acceptable.
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:38 PM
We were talking about preventing crime, not punishing. We;re talking about the 9 year old fighting at school--could grow up to be a murderer. Just kill em while they're young?
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:31 PM
if that 9 year old is a constant problem, and has a tendanciy for violence, then he should be removed from society. Why place him in prison, provide him with free college education etc, when he is not a usefull member of society? Waste of resources.
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:37 PM
OMG!!
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:38 PM
photorayonscanner thing you're cookin up...I might not be here
Posted by: knot | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:37 PM
its not something I am "cooking up". It is already being used on murderers. It clearly shows a difference in the frontal lobe. As I said, if a test can predict who will murder, it has to be utilized to save others.
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:39 PM
so we kill them before they kill us? lmao!
Posted by: SouthernBelle | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:41 PM
so we kill them before they kill us? lmao!
Posted by: SouthernBelle | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:41 PM
yep. I am 100% in support of the death penalty. Just think we have flaws in the way we use it.
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:42 PM
FBI for missing boys ~
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/henning.htm
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/parker.htm
Seems like the Milwaukee boys made the FBI list fast. What happened to Natalee's page?
Posted by: iwabwu | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:42 PM
Seems like the Milwaukee boys made the FBI list fast. What happened to Natalee's page?
Posted by: iwabwu | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:42 PM
ask the FBI
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:42 PM
its not something I am "cooking up". It is already being used on murderers. It clearly shows a difference in the frontal lobe. As I said, if a test can predict who will murder, it has to be utilized to save others.
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:39 PM
btw..have you mentioned this to anyone else...this plan of yours?
Posted by: knot | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:45 PM
btw..have you mentioned this to anyone else...this plan of yours?
Posted by: knot | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:45 PM
LOL you really need to read up a bit more. As I said, it isnt my thoughts or plan...it is something prison and govt officials have been working on for years.
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:47 PM
ts not something I am "cooking up". It is already being used on murderers. It clearly shows a difference in the frontal lobe. As I said, if a test can predict who will murder, it has to be utilized to save others.
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:39 PM
btw..have you mentioned this to anyone else...this plan of yours?
Posted by: knot | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:45 PM
Congratulations, you've rendered me speechless, woe.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:47 PM
Would that there were...a way to weed out the Beths, the Skeeters, the McGraws, the Mansurs, and the haters before they happen.
Posted by: coastal | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:48 PM
yep. I am 100% in support of the death penalty. Just think we have flaws in the way we use it.
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:42 PM
what flaws? everytime I ever heard of someone being executed..they never lived through it..it seems to be working very well..I will admit some didn't quite go according to plan..but that happens
Posted by: knot | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:49 PM
Would that there were...a way to weed out the Beths, the Skeeters, the McGraws, the Mansurs, and the haters before they happen.
Posted by: coastal | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:48 PM
I dont think any testing could go that far. But predicting the criminally insane would be of great benefit.
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:50 PM
ts not something I am "cooking up". It is already being used on murderers. It clearly shows a difference in the frontal lobe. As I said, if a test can predict who will murder, it has to be utilized to save others.
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:39 PM
How many murderer-brains have they examined? You need an awfull lot to draw conclusions.
Posted by: Loesje | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:51 PM
what flaws? everytime I ever heard of someone being executed..they never lived through it..it seems to be working very well..I will admit some didn't quite go according to plan..but that happens
Posted by: knot | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:49 PM
1) it isnt used often enough
2) it isnt used consistantly
3) too many appeals allowed
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:51 PM
How many murderer-brains have they examined? You need an awfull lot to draw conclusions.
Posted by: Loesje | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:51 PM
Not enough to warrant it being used to predict ahead of time. A&E did a documentary on it a few years back.
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:53 PM
what flaws? everytime I ever heard of someone being executed..they never lived through it..it seems to be working very well..I will admit some didn't quite go according to plan..but that happens
Posted by: knot | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:49 PM
If we had killed them when they got in a fight when they were 9, they prolly wouldnt have put up such a struggle.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:53 PM
If we had killed them when they got in a fight when they were 9, they prolly wouldnt have put up such a struggle.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:53 PM
Gas those little bad boys .. lmao
Posted by: SouthernBelle | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:54 PM
If we had killed them when they got in a fight when they were 9, they prolly wouldnt have put up such a struggle.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:53 PM
so tell me..what would you do with a 9 year old that raped and killed someone?
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:54 PM
How many murderer-brains have they examined? You need an awfull lot to draw conclusions.
Posted by: Loesje | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:51 PM
I only heard about one woman's brain with problems, Abby Normal.
Posted by: Wayne | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:55 PM
Gas those little bad boys .. lmao
Posted by: SouthernBelle | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:54 PM
Most places no longer use gas, they use an injection. Simple procedure.
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:55 PM
But predicting the criminally insane would be of great benefit.
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:50 PM
I agree. It would be nice if there was a medical remedy for frontal lobe defects. I can't support destroying life in advance.
Posted by: coastal | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:56 PM
I dont think any testing could go that far. But predicting the criminally insane would be of great benefit.
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:50 PM
I never thought of it that way..so someone has sex and goes to a clinic and folks at the clinic say sorry..if the baby is born then it will be a murderer..then the couple comes back next year and the folks at the clinic say sorry..the baby will be a rapist..then they come back again and the folks say sorry ya gota habitual shoplifter and cross dresser with this one..you may be on to something or then again you might just be on somethin
Posted by: knot | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:56 PM
If we had killed them when they got in a fight when they were 9, they prolly wouldnt have put up such a struggle.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:53 PM
Gas those little bad boys .. lmao
Posted by: SouthernBelle | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:54 PM
Shoot em. Bullets are cheap.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:57 PM
if that 9 year old is a constant problem, and has a tendanciy for violence, then he should be removed from society. Why place him in prison, provide him with free college education etc, when he is not a usefull member of society? Waste of resources.
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:37 PM
Has anyone agreed with you yet?
Posted by: Lexy | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:57 PM
Hello room. I have been lurking around the internet for a long time now about this case.
I have stopped here a few time and just read. Decided to sign in and see
what do any of you think about the case now ? Just curious.
I notice you all talk about the case a lot here.
Posted by: TempleOrange | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:13 PM
It is at the same place as a few months ago.
Posted by: Wayne | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:57 PM
I never thought of it that way..so someone has sex and goes to a clinic and folks at the clinic say sorry..if the baby is born then it will be a murderer..then the couple comes back next year and the folks at the clinic say sorry..the baby will be a rapist..then they come back again and the folks say sorry ya gota habitual shoplifter and cross dresser with this one..you may be on to something or then again you might just be on somethin
Posted by: knot | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:56 PM
a woman should have the right to decide. what if she didnt want to raise a rapist? a murderer? a cross dresser? a disabled child? its all the same really.
Lets face it...normal people do not go around killing and raping.
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:58 PM
Is this still the Natalee Holloway Discussion thread?
Posted by: pathenry | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:58 PM
It is at the same place as a few months ago.
Posted by: Wayne | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:57 PM
Yeah but some of us are still the same people :)
Posted by: SouthernBelle | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:59 PM
Has anyone agreed with you yet?
Posted by: Lexy | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:57 PM
I dont need a "gang party" to post my beliefs. I stand on what I believe, with or without a tag team to back me up.
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:59 PM
a woman should have the right to decide. what if she didnt want to raise a rapist? a murderer? a cross dresser? a disabled child? its all the same really.
Lets face it...normal people do not go around killing and raping.
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:58 PM
You're backing off now. And there is no way to predict the future.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 09:00 PM
Is this still the Natalee Holloway Discussion thread?
Posted by: pathenry | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:58 PM
Actually no.. they are killing 9 yr olds and I am recruiting for the Palace....
Posted by: SouthernBelle | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 09:00 PM
Did drugs and alcohol kill Natalee Holloway?
Police chief says missing teen most likely overdosed, was not murdered
Did Natalee Holloway die from an overdose?
The lead investigator in Aruba says Natalee Holloway may not have been murdered. Michael Smerconish talks to Natalee's stepmom Robin Holloway and Clint Van Zandt.
Scarborough_Country
MSNBC
Updated: 4:37 p.m. ET March 24, 2006
HOLLOWAY: I have known Natalee for 13 or 14 years. She is not a drug user. She does not abuse drugs. The only drug we know that she was on at that time was a Z-pac for a sinus infection. If she was drugged, it was because of the last drink Joran gave her, either compliments of Joran or the bartender.
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/11994147/
Very good transcript. Much food for thought. JMHO
Posted by: iwabwu | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 09:01 PM
You're backing off now. And there is no way to predict the future.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 09:00 PM
wrong, i am not backing off. And you are right, there is no way to predict the future...yet. All in good time. People are tired of the crime. Something has to be done. Little by little they are willing to treat younger and younger offenders as adults. In anoyher 10 to 15 years, there will be no "Juvenile" crime.
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 09:03 PM
Is this still the Natalee Holloway Discussion thread?
Posted by: pathenry | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 08:58 PM
Nope, we entered the Twilight Zone.
Posted by: Lexy | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 09:03 PM
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/seekinfo/holloway.htm
FBI still "seeking information"
no kidnapping
no missing person
Posted by: pathenry | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 09:03 PM
Who has the NH talking points?
Posted by: coastal | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 09:06 PM
What causes a sinus infection?
When the openings to the sinuses get blocked, mucus cannot move out of the nose. This can increase the chance of germs starting to grow inside the nose. The germs can cause an infection called sinusitis. Here are some things that can cause blocked sinuses or thick mucus:
* Colds or upper respiratory infections
* Hay fever or allergies
* Air pollution and cigarette smoke
* Nasal or dental procedures
* Traveling at high altitudes
* Swimming and diving under water
* Cocaine use
* Immune deficiencies, such as acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS)
* Diabetes
How do I know if I have a sinus infection?
Cold symptoms that last longer than 7 to 10 days or that start to get better and then get worse again may be a sign of a sinus infection. You may have pain in your face or pain in your upper teeth. Other symptoms include a fever, tenderness over your face, and thick green or yellow mucus in your nose.
How are sinus infections treated?
Antibiotics usually are not needed to treat sinus infections. Most sinus infections get better in a few days. If your symptoms do not get better after 7 to 10 days, you may need an antibiotic. It is important to tell your doctor if you have taken antibiotics during the past 6 weeks, because that may affect the choice of medicine you take for this infection.
_________________
When did Natalee develop a sinus infection? Did she have it for a week before traveling? Was she prone to this condition?
Posted by: pathenry | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 09:06 PM
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/seekinfo/holloway.htm
FBI still "seeking information"
no kidnapping
no missing person
Posted by: pathenry | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 09:03 PM
Where was Natalee between 1:00 a.m. and 1:30 a.m.? Who of the MB teens reported seeing her in the Kalpoe vehicle at 1:30 a.m.?
Posted by: iwabwu | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 09:07 PM
Woe, ever heard of a book called Brave New World?
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 09:07 PM
Who has the NH talking points?
Posted by: coastal | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 09:06 PM
Not me. I'm just a guest in Dan's forum. Perhaps the hostess can guide you. She knows everything about everything.
Posted by: pathenry | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 09:08 PM
Woe, ever heard of a book called Brave New World?
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 09:07 PM
yep
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 09:12 PM
Is the hostess also serving?
Wench! Bring me my ale.
Posted by: coastal | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 09:14 PM
Is the hostess also serving?
Wench! Bring me my ale.
Posted by: coastal | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 09:14 PM
I think Monday's are an alcohol holiday ~ no service until tomorrow. MO
Posted by: iwabwu | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 09:15 PM
new photo's of FEB being posted. Someone in MB is really turning lose of pics these days.
http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/viewtopic.php?t=32&start=425
looks like they may have been taken at college.
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 09:17 PM
Goodnight! BBL
Posted by: iwabwu | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 09:17 PM
Today is Tuesday in wabbi world, what are you talking about, wench?
Posted by: coastal | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 09:17 PM
CNN's John Zarrella is in Palm Beach on the Caribbean island and has these latest developments.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
JOHN ZARRELLA, CNN CORRESPONDENT (on camera): The search for Natalee Holloway continues here on the island with no new developments on that front. As far as the investigation goes, it appears that it has focused clearly now on the three young men being held.
(voice-over): Police investigators spent several hours at the home of 17-year-old Joran Van Der Sloot. He is one of the three young men being held in connection with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Investigators taped off portions of the property and searched around and in the house, but have not said what they were looking for. The search came after the three men appeared in court, but was not tied to that proceeding.
At the hearing, the attorney for Deepak Kalpoe, one of the two Surinamese brothers being held, asked the court to release documents and evidence.
RUDY OOMEN, DEEPAK KALPOE'S ATTY.: We had a brief hearing here about the withholding of certain documents regarding my client, documents related to the case.
If I knew, I would tell you. I don't know.
(CROSSTALK) OOMEN: That's what happened.
QUESTION: So what do you say to the security guards who are out, or telling stories about your clients?
OOMEN: I'm not saying anything else. I'm just saying that my client maintains his innocence of any crime.
Posted by: pathenry | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 09:18 PM
Where was Natalee between 1:00 a.m. and 1:30 a.m.? Who of the MB teens reported seeing her in the Kalpoe vehicle at 1:30 a.m.?
Posted by: iwabwu | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 09:07 PM
That is a really good question...
Who was it that said..
"Natalee are you crazy ?! get out of that !##^** car! ?"
Anyone know what mb boy that was ?
Posted by: edward | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 09:20 PM
JAMIE SKEETERS, POLYGRAPH EXPERT: Nobody forced her to drink then that night?
DEEPAK KALPOE, SUSPECT IN NATALEE HOLLOWAY DISAPPEARANCE: No.
SKEETERS: Nobody told her that you can`t (DELETED) her -- you know? I mean, and I`m sure she had sex with all of you and (INAUDIBLE)
KALPOE: No, she didn`t.
SKEETERS: OK, well, I mean, good. If she did, fine.
KALPOE: You would be surprised how simple it was that night.
(END AUDIO CLIP)
DIMOND: Now, that`s not what aired on the Dr. Phil show on September 15 of this year. When that T.V. show first reveled an audiotape they said that their own investigator got with Kalpoe, it sounded very different. Listen closely.
(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)
SKEETERS: If it was an accident, I can help all of you. If you guys were partying, even if somebody had given her a date drug -- I`m sure she had sex with all of you.
KALPOE: She did. You`d be surprised how simple it was.
(END AUDIO CLIP)
DIMOND: That`s from the tape that aired on the Dr. Phil show September 15, the interview between Deepak Kalpoe and an investigator that the show hired. His name was Jamie Skeeters.
So what are we all to think about this? What happens in a case where one person says he said, yes, he did have sex, and one says, absolutely, he did not?
Posted by: pathenry | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 09:20 PM
Joe T pissed at Dompig huh?
Posted by: hopingforthebest | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 09:20 PM
http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/viewtopic.php?t=32&start=425
Franbyrd literally dressed up as satan....and chugging from a liter of liquor. Natalee was different though. She always demanded a glass, or a navel.
Posted by: pathenry | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 09:23 PM
Why are all the names mixed up ?
Posted by: edward | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 09:24 PM
Joe T pissed at Dompig huh?
Posted by: hopingforthebest | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 09:20 PM
I saw that too. Not much love there. I really liked Joe's statement (paraphrased) about Dompig being the chief investigator - no wonder the case is where it's at.
Posted by: nc_mom | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 09:25 PM
Did Marcia get the point and return all the cameras to the kids..?
Or did she do the photo drive up..These pictures are all great..Where are the ones from the Aruba trip with natalee included?
Posted by: edward | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 09:28 PM
Posted by: DaleJrFan8 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:03 PM
Hi back at ya!! It's nice to hear different opinions I agree. I just get so po'd with the bashing and the repetive postings of articles. Grates on the nerves. I understand if someone can't find the link and asks for it but that's about it.
Posted by: lookin4info | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 09:28 PM
Nope, we entered the Twilight Zone.
Posted by: Lexy | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 09:03 PM
About 9 months ago :} Nothing like the monkey cage though..
Posted by: edward | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 09:29 PM
Wow. Joe Tacopina tore Dompig a knew one tonight on Rita Cosby.
Mr. Tacopina quetioned the Chief's credability and character.
IMO, Dompig has no cred and should "sit down and shut up!"
Bigfish
Posted by: Bigfish | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 09:32 PM
Either Dompig is on a fishing trip or the worlds biggest fool
Posted by: hopingforthebest | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 09:35 PM
IMO, Dompig has no cred and should "sit down and shut up!"
Bigfish
Posted by: Bigfish | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 09:32 PM
BF - Finally we agree on something :o)
Posted by: nc_mom | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 09:35 PM
Not right now maybe, but RWV has had many Aruba bashers. Beth bashers too. Dutch bashers... oh well... it's not always civil out here.
Posted by: Dolores | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 04:20 PM
I've never agreed when people bashed the whole island Delores. Just like here in America, there are good and bad every where. I appreciate you being here.
Posted by: lookin4info | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 09:36 PM
LMAO
Posted by: coastal | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 09:38 PM
I have to run off again :}
Posted by: edward | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 09:38 PM
Dompig has no cred and should "sit down and shut up!"
Posted by: Bigfish | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 09:32 PM
I agree that Dompig needs to be quiet. His interview on 48 Hours was ridiculous. He was speculating as though it were fact. He's reading the blogs too much! LOL
Mr. Tacopina always gives a great interview.
And what was Art Wood doing on there? He contributed ziltch to the conversation. I thought he was trying for the intellectual look tonight with the glasses and a trimmed beard.
Poor Dave! If his investigators at C&Cs saw clear bottles in a cabinet, maybe they should have gone to LE so LE could go investigate before blabbing it over TV. Clear bottles could be house vodka, light rum, moonshine, and a variety of other things.
Posted by: sensible1 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 09:39 PM
Poor Dave! If his investigators at C&Cs saw clear bottles in a cabinet, maybe they should have gone to LE so LE could go investigate before blabbing it over TV. Clear bottles could be house vodka, light rum, moonshine, and a variety of other things.
Posted by: sensible1 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 09:39 PM
They should have taken a bottle..or atleast a swig...lol
Then I would have some respect for the investigators..
Just telling Dave that ??
Just crap..you should never tell crap to a victims relative..
jmho..
Posted by: edward | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 09:42 PM
"chugging from a liter of liquor. Natalee was different though. She always demanded a glass, or a navel.
Posted by: pathenry | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 09:23 PM"
have a little respect, natalee can't defend herself.
Posted by: ericka | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 09:48 PM
Where was Natalee between 1:00 a.m. and 1:30 a.m.? Who of the MB teens reported seeing her in the Kalpoe vehicle at 1:30 a.m.?
Posted by: iwabwu | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 09:07 PM
That is a really good question...
Who was it that said..
"Natalee are you crazy ?! get out of that !##^** car! ?"
Anyone know what mb boy that was ?
Posted by: edward | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 09:20 PM
Edward: Any idea how we can tickle this outta somebody? maybe a few drinks with kissel?
Posted by: iquitos | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 09:51 PM
How about when the victim's family brings 'hell to Aruba'?
Posted by: coastal | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 09:52 PM
How about when the victim's family brings 'hell to Aruba'?
Posted by: coastal | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 09:52 PM
That's different. Once you or someone you know become a victim, the rules and laws no longer apply to you. You are free to do as you please.
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 09:54 PM
why don't we scan JK2 with Woe's scan thing for murderers. if they pass we'll give them the keys to Ala.
Posted by: hopingforthebest | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 09:54 PM
How about when the victim's family brings 'hell to Aruba'?
Posted by: coastal | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 09:52 PM
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
The table is turning, again! :>)
New pics popping up at Refugees!
BF
Posted by: Bigfish | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 09:56 PM
why don't we scan JK2 with Woe's scan thing for murderers. if they pass we'll give them the keys to Ala.
Posted by: hopingforthebest | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 09:54 PM
good idea. I would go for it. Pass and they go free...fail and they are guilty.
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 09:56 PM
BTW good to see some new nics posting.BBL
Posted by: hopingforthebest | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 09:58 PM
Just crap..you should never tell crap to a victims relative..
jmho..
Posted by: edward | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 09:42 PM
My thoughts too Edward. I find it cowardly when people besmirch others unable to defend themselves.
Posted by: Lexy | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 09:58 PM
Once you or someone you know become a victim, the rules and laws no longer apply to you. You are free to do as you please.
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 09:54 PM
Well then, that just makes me so special, doesn't it? Me and most of the rest of the population.
Posted by: coastal | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:00 PM
good idea. I would go for it. Pass and they go free...fail and they are guilty.
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 09:56 PM
Is it like witch dunking?
Posted by: Wayne | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:00 PM
Is it like witch dunking?
Posted by: Wayne | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:00 PM
they are more accurate than voice analysis or polygraphs.
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:01 PM
Is it like witch dunking?
Posted by: Wayne | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:00 PM
they are more accurate than voice analysis or polygraphs.
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:01 PM
So is witch dunking. If you live you’re a witch, if you drown you’re not.
Posted by: Wayne | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:04 PM
Gossip Disclaimer: If you don't like gossip, please skip to the next post:
sandraK PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 9:00 pm
Divorce City
Beth and Jug are calling it Quits.
This will be very interesting. Who gets what?
http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/viewtopic.php?t=214
Posted by: pathenry | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:09 PM
So is witch dunking. If you live you’re a witch, if you drown you’re not.
Posted by: Wayne | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:04 PM
so how do you think one should prove their innocence?
understanding that lies were told, and now nothing the suspect says is to be believed, how else can innocence be proven? The only thing left is scientific means. Is it perfect? probably not, but then nothing is.
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:10 PM
so how do you think one should prove their innocence?
understanding that lies were told, and now nothing the suspect says is to be believed, how else can innocence be proven? The only thing left is scientific means. Is it perfect? probably not, but then nothing is.
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:10 PM
I thought you were talking abuot killing premurders. Is this now in reference to NH?
Posted by: Wayne | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:13 PM
I thought you were talking abuot killing premurders. Is this now in reference to NH?
Posted by: Wayne | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:13 PM
the request was for J2K to be scanned. I said i agree. If they pass, then they are innocent..if they fail...then they are guilty.
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:14 PM
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:14 PM
Doesn't prove guilt, just a messed up brain.
Posted by: Wayne | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:17 PM
Greta's panel admits they have not seen evidence that a crime has been committed. Greta IMO, seems to be rolling with the accidental overdose scenario....for now.
Posted by: pathenry | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:20 PM
VAN SUSTEREN: Did he describe whether or not she seemed to have had too much to drink or anything that night?
C. CROES: Yes, he did. He told me that she had been doing drugs and possibly been drinking, too.
VAN SUSTEREN: Did he indicate whether he was doing drugs or drinking?
C. CROES: He said that he had been drinking.
Posted by: Bigfish | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:21 PM
Joe:
We've gotten our hands on 1,000 of police reports, not just ALE but FBI, I've seen what witnesses have said, I know where Dompig is coming from.
To me it's speculation, how could anyone be determined to have died of a drug overdose wihtout finding a body. He should not be on tv with this speculation, .... there are reports that POINT IN SOME OTHER DIRECTION HAVING NOTHING TO DO WITH JORAN, I have to tell you this is the same guy who initially said these 3 boys are guilty. According to this 48 Hours program he's cleared them of suspicion it seems..it's really upsetting to me and obscene to do to the van der Sloots and the Holloways...without evidence or facts this is all notihng but spin and theories, if there's no evidence, it didn't happen.
Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:24 PM
I thought you were talking abuot killing premurders. Is this now in reference to NH?
Posted by: Wayne | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:13 PM
Yes. This is the Natalee Holloway Discussion Forum. There is a place called "Palace" where,from what I understand, the conversations aren't as limited. There are even sh*ts and giggles there...from what I hear.
Posted by: pathenry | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:25 PM
Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:24 PM
Good to see someone on these shows finally telling it like it is.
Posted by: kat | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:27 PM
Yes. This is the Natalee Holloway Discussion Forum. There is a place called "Palace" where,from what I understand, the conversations aren't as limited. There are even sh*ts and giggles there...from what I hear.
Posted by: pathenry | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:25 PM
Yes. This is the Natalee Holloway Discussion Forum. And there has been very little of it.
Posted by: Wayne | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:27 PM
Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:24 PM
So he just said vdS, not J2K?
Posted by: Wayne | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:29 PM
Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:24 PM
Good to see someone on these shows finally telling it like it is.
Posted by: kat | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:27 PM
Me too.
Greta's panel tonight even said there is not enough evidence to prove a murder.
Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:29 PM
Is it the FBI reports that point in a different direction than to Joran?
I still think Dompig is blowing smoke.
Posted by: coastal | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:30 PM
Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:24 PM
So he just said vdS, not J2K?
Posted by: Wayne | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:29 PM
He did not indicate what direction, whether Kalpoes or MB.
Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:31 PM
Greta's panel tonight even said there is not enough evidence to prove a murder.
Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:29 PM
If they find a body, they still may not be able to determine cause.
Posted by: Wayne | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:31 PM
Anyone think that someone is pulling Dompig's strings?? :>|
BF
Posted by: Bigfish | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:31 PM
What did you bring to the table, Wayne that you would like to discuss?
Posted by: coastal | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:31 PM
I don't even watch any of these shows anymore. To me it is better to read the transcripts. I can scroll faster than they can talk...lol.
Posted by: kat | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:31 PM
hard as it is, just keep in mind that dompig was talking history. the thing was taped in january. it is impossible to read at this point two months later.
Posted by: iquitos | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:32 PM
He did not indicate what direction, whether Kalpoes or MB.
Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:31 PM
That could still be too limited.
Posted by: Wayne | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:33 PM
Greta's panel tonight even said there is not enough evidence to prove a murder.
Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:29 PM
If they find a body, they still may not be able to determine cause.
Posted by: Wayne | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:31 PM
That is true. A lot of families never have that closure.
Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:33 PM
Greta's panel tonight even said there is not enough evidence to prove a murder.
Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:29 PM
duh! four lawyers took this long to figure that out? we should be greta's panel. we have known this for months!
Posted by: iquitos | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:34 PM
True, iquitos. I know they are still doing searches, but as far as any new evidence, if they have any, they are keeping it close to their chests.
Posted by: kat | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:35 PM
if they find a body there will be closure. earht has always said give me my daughter and i will get out of your hair.
Posted by: iquitos | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:35 PM
Greta's panel tonight even said there is not enough evidence to prove a murder.
Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:29 PM
duh! four lawyers took this long to figure that out? we should be greta's panel. we have known this for months!
Posted by: iquitos | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:34 PM
My thoughts exactly. Talk about slow! Course if they were decent attorneys they would be trying cases instead of on Greta's show every night.
Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:35 PM
Dompig has been sticking with the same story from the beginning, no matter what has changed, like J2Ks release from jail etc. This is the family version, where Natalee is dead and J2K are guilty. He doesn't have to change his story until he feels like it, no matter what he knows. I think he's just being consistent, and protecting the on-going investigation. Unfortunately, he's not pretty - so he's probably incompetant, it seems to some.
Posted by: coastal | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:35 PM
What did you bring to the table, Wayne that you would like to discuss?
Posted by: coastal | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:31 PM
All this recent "news" activity is just hype. Scuba posted a news article clarifying Dompig’s statements. The theories have not changed.
Posted by: Wayne | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:36 PM
"the only crime would be the illegal disposal of a body."
Was Beth claim of a kidnapping..."a body being kidnapped?"
......
"U.S. Rep. Spencer Bachus, R-Vestavia Hills, said Saturday there were circumstances surrounding Holloway's disappearance that warranted the FBI being heavily involved. He declined to give details.
"The circumstances were disturbing," said Bachus, who formally requested the FBI's involvement. "I can't get into it, but it's something the family is aware of. There was an immediate recognition that this was not simply a teen who wandered off."
.......
Never on the FBI's kidnapped, or missing persons lists.
Posted by: pathenry | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:39 PM
Bachus sure has remained quiet ever since his meeting with the ALE. Not one word from him.
Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:41 PM
ABC PRIMETIME News interview
VAN DER SLOOT:
"She didn't seem drunk," he said. "She seemed like she drank a lot, but there's a difference between someone being absolutely drunk and someone … actually having had a couple drinks."
GRETA Interview:
VAN DER SLOOT: Oh... she'd been drinking, but she wasn't drunk. I mean, she knew what she was doing. And you know, all the people there were drinking, as well. I mean, that's just — that's normal when you go out and have a drink with your friends.
Posted by: Lexy | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:42 PM
I still think Natalee is alive and not on the island. There would have been some evidence to the contrary by now, IMO.
Posted by: kat | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:42 PM
""The judge instructed the Public Prosecutor to hand over the verbal proceedings [procesverbaal] and the decisions about the prosecutions to the court clerk, at the latest on Monday, April 3.
The Public Prosecutor also has to hand over a copy of the verbal proceedings [procesverbaal] to attorney A. Swaen who can react to it. The judge stipulated that if Mr. Swaen wants to react, he has to do so in writing and this has to be delivered to the court clerk at the latest on April 17.
The judge from Curaçao will evaluate this and will hand down the verdict on May 1st. By the interim decision, it can be concluded that this month, the Public Prosecutor has to decide whether it will pursue the suspects in the Holloway case or not.""
Posted by: Bigfish | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:42 PM
So Congress is disturbed, and the FBI is seeking information. A few states have declared boycotts. Is there a media ceremony when they lift the boycotts, or is it just done quietly behind closed doors?
Posted by: coastal | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:43 PM
Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:41 PM
He looked rather disturbed when he left that meeting.
Posted by: pathenry | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:44 PM
Never on the FBI's kidnapped, or missing persons lists.
Posted by: pathenry | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:39 PM
Correct. She is on the page where ~80% are unsolved murder victims.
Posted by: Wayne | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:44 PM
Is there a media ceremony when they lift the boycotts, or is it just done quietly behind closed doors?
Posted by: coastal | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:43 PM
I believe the boycott will quietly go away.
Posted by: kat | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:44 PM
CURRENT AFFAIR interview:
Joran van der Sloot: She had a lot to drink. At Carlos and Charlies, she grabbed my hand for me to take jelly shots off of her. And afterwards, she asked me to buy a shot for her, buy her something to drink, which I did. And, that is all I saw that she drank. I didn’t see her drink anything else.
Joran Van der Sloot:.....“Obviously she was drunk. I had stuff to drink, too,” van der Sloot said. “She wanted to go with me. I wanted to go with her. It was totally consensual.”
Joran van der Sloot: One day, I will explain exactly what happened, but, right now, I don’t feel ready to do that.
Posted by: Lexy | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:45 PM
Posted by: coastal | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:43 PM
Marcia quietly collects them, and put them in the box with the faded yellow ribbons.
Posted by: pathenry | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:45 PM
Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:41 PM
He looked rather disturbed when he left that meeting.
Posted by: pathenry | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:44 PM
Yes he did. Sure would like to know what he heard. Probably a totally different view of the MB kids than what had been portrayed to him.
Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:45 PM
Bachus sure has remained quiet ever since his meeting with the ALE. Not one word from him.
Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:41 PM
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
He's the "wise one."
Have you caught the drift of the AleeBamee governer's race?
I believe one candidate is under indictment, the second was removed from a previous state office, and "Boycott Bob" is trying to explain why he tried to raise state taxes by a BILLION dollars! LMAO :>)))))
BF
Posted by: Bigfish | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:48 PM
Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:45 PM
Probably the truth of what happened that night, and the reason it shouldn't go any further than that room. $$$$$$$$$$$$$
Posted by: pathenry | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:49 PM
DOMPIG: Exactly. And I go by the rule of thumb that, in the first 40 days -- as I said in a different program -- the first 40 days, law enforcement has probably also already spoken to the perpetrators.
I THINK ANYONE WITH A BRAIN is SMARTER THAN HE IS
Posted by: lookin4info | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:50 PM
ok, i agree that the girl with long hair and bangs to jorans left at the blackjack table who appears to be playing is Ruth McVey. now, it is possible that the girl joran was helping was weatherly sitting to his right. they showed the scene with mcvey in the center because they needed Natalee in the picture and she is further yet to the left.
why did joran say he was helping kathleen and not ruth? he told croes the story as if it were natalee and told greta he helped "kathleen". who did he help? does croes have it wrong? where did the deepak email come from? i don't remember this being public until later. i bet ALE has some questions on this for Ruth and Katherine if she is there as Joran says she was.
Posted by: iquitos | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:51 PM
Probably the truth of what happened that night, and the reason it shouldn't go any further than that room. $$$$$$$$$$$$$
Posted by: pathenry | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:49 PM
Are you saying he was bribed by the Aruba group he met with?
Posted by: Wayne | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:51 PM
Posted by: Wayne | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:51 PM
No.
Posted by: pathenry | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:53 PM
could be the best tactic would be to continue to string this investigation out until everybody loses interest and then just quietly close it out.
Posted by: iquitos | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:55 PM
Bachus sure has remained quiet ever since his meeting with the ALE. Not one word from him.
Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:41 PM
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Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:41 PM
He looked rather disturbed when he left that meeting.
Posted by: pathenry | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:44 PM
Yes he did. Sure would like to know what he heard. Probably a totally different view of the MB kids than what had been portrayed to him.
Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:45 PM
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Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:45 PM
Probably the truth of what happened that night, and the reason it shouldn't go any further than that room. $$$$$$$$$$$$$
Posted by: pathenry | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:49 PM
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Ok if you say so. But you should be clearer.
Posted by: Wayne | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:57 PM
I THINK ANYONE WITH A BRAIN is SMARTER THAN HE IS
Posted by: lookin4info | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:50 PM
LOL, or without one!
Posted by: Lexy | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:59 PM
Posted by: iquitos | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:55 PM
Those are my expectations at this point. Unless Natalee were to appear live...I can't see any lawsuit, criminal or civil going anywhere regarding the "disappearance" of Beth Ann's daughter. I think the "rewards" are being foot-shuffled like a quarter on a casino floor, slowly off the carpet, too.
Posted by: pathenry | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:59 PM
Posted by: Wayne | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:57 PM
You either get it, or you don't Wayne. I am not IMing you personally, you know.
Posted by: pathenry | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 11:01 PM
Ask Anchor where the Deepak email came from.
Posted by: coastal | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 11:05 PM
You either get it, or you don't Wayne. I am not IMing you personally, you know.
Posted by: pathenry | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 11:01 PM
I get it. Thank goodness.
Posted by: Wayne | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 11:06 PM
whether they kow it or not, stretchin' it out is better for earht and Dave's business pursuits too. Once it is solved they are soon outta business sotaspeak.
Posted by: iquitos | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 11:09 PM
Posted by: iquitos | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:51 PM
When I first watched the tape, before reading anything....I thought he was helping the girl to his right, not Ruth (bangs)....he looked as if he was turning to talk to right side girl and watching her cards. We only saw a snippet, so it is possible he got more involved with Ruth later, card wise...but the piece that aired..I thought he was helping the girl on his right. I wonder who bought him the thank you drink if it wasn't Natalee?
Posted by: pathenry | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 11:09 PM
Posted by: iquitos | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 11:09 PM
IMO, Beth will escalate to the John Walsh, Marc Klaas, lecture and TV expert missing child panels. I can see the www.internationalsafetravels underneath her name already. 501 3(c) 's can last forever...sponsorship money, fundraisers, grants, pledge drives,..nice work :>)
Posted by: pathenry | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 11:14 PM
i know that wonderwoman brought the deepak email as an exclusive i think to scared monkeys. all very mysterious. the legend was that it went to a friend in the us. i am not sure all that was in it was public knowledge at the time. could have been a false flag operation. it was a pretty good job imo. i sure wish deepak would talk but understand why he does not. we know so little about either of the brothers. that is why we continue to suspect them. we don't know them. he did ok against jamie as far as we can tell.
Posted by: iquitos | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 11:14 PM
in the actual show we got a broader view of the table. in the snippet they have up on the program site it is the little circle with joran on one side and natalee on the other. joran may have told croes the broad circumstances of how they hooked up and croes misunderstood that it was natlaee who he had help recoup lost funds. the mb kids involved have not been truthful at all on this.
Posted by: iquitos | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 11:17 PM
Posted by: iquitos | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 11:14 PM
I read it there also. Am I remembering correctly??.... that it was to a 70ish yo woman in the states (michigan or someplace around that geo. area)...something about he met her when she was in Aruba and stayed in touch. I might be mixing it up with something else. Been so long ago.
Posted by: pathenry | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 11:17 PM
it was something like that. it was posted in the middle of the night in pieces and wonder woman was very coy about its provenance. i think she got it direct from somebody close to whoever wrote it. maybe joran told deepak the same story he told croes. or croes wrote the deepak email.
Posted by: iquitos | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 11:20 PM
I think once proven scientific tests are available, it should be mandatory during the first 3 months of gestation.
As for 9 year olds that have a tendancy towards violence...what do you suggest? Hugs and a round of kumbaha?
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:55 PM
I can't believe you r4 real. Is it just me?
Posted by: lookin4info | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 11:21 PM
WARNING: The is very long;
BK | Tuesday, June 21, 2005 at 09:29 PM
Have you seen this? This was just posted by Wonder Woman over at Scared Monkey--she claims it's an email that Depak wrote that she somehow got her hands on. She claims it has already been turned over to authorities. To me it looks like she has not printed the end of the email (if in fact it IS an email that is)
How are you i hope you and your family is fine.(NAME DELETED) is better i tell you the truth , before it will be a shock for you later, but i think it will be a shock for you rightnow.
The missing girl natalee hollaway,I spoke to her , sunday she left with me , my brother and a friend from carlos n' charlies , it was my car like the news said she got in to, I am one of the persons of intrest , i am one the the students they've questioned and released as they claimed in the news .
Let see where to start i don't even know where to begin these last days where so crazy for me i'm very tired haven't slept good in days : The story starts sunday night when a friend of mine was playing poker at a local casino (in the holiday inn) after he won the poker at the fourth place he decided to get up and play some blackjack so he went to the blackjack table and there was natalee (they were a lil drunk ) so my friend started playing blackjack and he was winning quite good , so then natalee approached him and introduced herself and said to him'' your a lucky guy , can you help me win some of my money back i lost $ 360 , of my fathers money'' so my friend said ok , why not . so he started playing and he won 100 $ for her back and he said hey thats the best i can do for you because i doubt it i can win more money for you so its better i quit so she said ok but at least let me buy you a drink so they went to the bar (in the casino ). so they took a drink and started talking etc. about school, the vacation etc.etc.afterwards my friend had to go and she said that ''today is my last day i will be in carlos n' charlies will you be there'' and my friend said well i have school tomorrow i don't think so . well she begged him and he still said yes i'll be there.So that was in the casino i was not present , i was at work so my friend called me and said hey i met some girls in the casino and her friends and they want us to meet them in carlos tonight do you have to work tomorrow morning i said no , so he said pick me up later then i said ok. so i got off my shift at 10 pm and went home took a bath had to fix something and then me and my younger brother went to pick up my friend was around 12.10 am so i came to his home and was talked for like 15 min and then left to go to carlos (we all went out without or parents knew) so we arrived like 12.30 am in carlos (carlos is closing 1 pm ) and headed straight for the bar and bought 3 drinks my friend paid for them, so besides the bar there is a stage and people were dancing and there was natalee dancing too (thats the first time i saw her )and she was calling my friend to get on the stage and dance with her my friend laughed and refused so after the song was finished she came up to my friend and asked why he won't dance with her , i only heared that part because i was talking to someone else so i don't know what he responded(by then natalee was VERY drunk)so as i said i was talking to someone when i turned i had lost my brother , natalee and my friend. well they were announced that they were closing soon so i thought well maybe they' re waiting for me by the car its better i go there so i went to my car and nobody was there so i started playing music and was waiting on my brother and my friend.i waited for like 10 min and then i saw my brother stepping in the car and my friend who was with natalee. so i was surprised but anyways i started the engine and my brother was besides me and my friend and natalee were in the backseet so i started cruising in the area and asked my friend whats going on so natalee responded to me ''hey its no prob let us just drive around and have fun its my last night , she said you can drop me off later at holiday inn anyways right'' i said sure why not so as i was drove out of the carlos road and got on the mainroad there were natalees friends and she , pushed het head out of the window and screamed something i can't recall.so i was driving very slow to make a left to get in the next road and then one of natalees friend screamed for her to get out of the car , and she refused so then i stopped my car and i said natalee if your friends want you to go with them its better you go listen to them and go with them , she said no i will stay with you guys i will get a lift from you anways later, so she said bye to her friends and i drove away, so then we were just talking etc, in the car and then she said she wanted to see sharks ,it was by the lighthouse she saw them before that can we go , my friend said ok ,deepak lets go. so on my my to the lighthouse there was music playing and noone talking for a while when i looked in the backmirror my friend and natalee were kissing and touching (his hands etc was in her blouse but nothing nude or against natalees will ) so my brother siad just leave them for a while untill we get to the lighthouse, when i arrived at the lighthouse i said well here is the lighthouse they did not pay attention to me , so my brother said lets return (i did not stop anywhere not for a min only trafficlights) so after like 10 min my friend is telling me that natalee fell asleep i said you kidding just wake her up and tell ask her if its holiday inn for sure she is staying so my friend woke her up and confirmed with natalee she was staying at the holiday inn, so i drove to the lobby driveway of holiday inn and then we woke her up, she got out of the car and fell on the floor my friend said damn she fell and then rushed out of the same door natalee came out and picked her up immediately, after she stood up she pushed my friend and said leave me alone or something like that i can't recall , my friend offered to help het to her room she said no. she he stepped in the car and while i was driving away i saw natalee walking towards the lobby and a gentleman with a walkie talkie and black clothes approached her and i think they were talking and i had never seen natalee again sinds.(holiday inn has no cameras in the driveway or lobby) it was around 2.15 am .monday i came to work normally 4- 11 pm after work i called my friend i said whats up he said ok i'm at the raddison casino meet me there , i said ok so i went there we played poker , we had some drinks and chat and then we had enough and decided that this casino was booring lets go to whyndham hotel casino . so i drove to whyndham and as i was parking my friends dad called him and said the police is at his home with some family members its about the girl you guys went out with yesterday , so my friend said wait there i be there, so we rushed at my friends home and there was the police and nataless family and it was a nightmare sinds then. the police asked us if we knew this girl showed us a picture we said yes thats her , they said she was missing and eyewitness say she was the last seen with you guys . so they asked a few more questions and we said we don't understand we left her at holiday inn lobby drive way how could she dissapear and then natalees stepfather jumped and said ''yes thats because after she went with you assholes she lost'' and then my friends father jumped and said thats enough you can't talk to the kids like that this is not the us your out of you juristiction this is not the way i want you people out of my yard i know the law (my friends father is e judge) so afterwards another family member of natalee suggested to the police if we can id the security gard we said ok. we went there there was no suck security working there as we discribed. so then we were just standing in the lobby there were questions etc. asked by other members , and then me and my friend walked to the car natalees mom was sitting and we said mam you have to believe us we did not do anything with you daughter, she was crying and said i don't believe you 2 , i promise you i will make you life a living hell because of this . anwyas we said we were sorry again ans that we will help in any way possible.i went home 7 pm tuesday, i was then called 2 pm by the police for questioning i went gave a statement they said i was a witness no suspect the same went for my brother and my friend they were questionded and had to sign their statement also , the checked my car and i was clear to go , wednesday i was called again to show them how i drove the route that day ( i could refuse was my right i still decided to go , as did my brother and friend ) the drove us one by one and then we were free to go again.thursday morning my friend called me (he goes to aruba international school and his mother is a teacher there and he is a straight A student ) in panic and said there a re family members here at school and they are sharing flyers and the flyers said : GIRL KIDNAPPED ASK JORAN VANDER SLOOT (thats my friends name ) the principle asked them to leave and they did .so thats my part of the story yesterday and today it was quiet no treathen phoncalls what we got before and i won't mention the crazythings the newspapers etc. writes about us its to much to mention. at home my mom is losing it she is cryimg constantly , my dad bloodpressure got high also his hands are red , my friends home is a disaster also ,his mom is crying constantly also his dad is pretty cool he calmes us down and talks to us also not to worry , my brother is preety cool but on his face you see he is worried , my friend is pretty worried also. i'm pretty worried also , we have 2 lawyers one for my friend and one for me in case we get arrested and charched with something his dad can't defend hin he is a judge and he is too emotional attached .my friend has his graduation this thursday he has to go to the states in july he has a full scholarship. i had to go to vacation also end of this month.many politicians find we should be locked up rightnow.We heard a lot of false alarms that she was dead , she was seen with 2 guys , her hair is cut and is red now ,she was in a crackhouse etc, we were arrested and , my car is by the police we confessed to murder and rape, she went in a restaurant to buy food but none of those were true.So betty that was my part of the story what i said here is the same in my statement,people are saying they are bad guys lock them up , the family is going thru a lot righnow , but what they don't know how the other families feel and how they also have a reputation and carreers etc. because when this all is over they will still be talks that were the 3 guys that had something to do with the kidnap of natalee its a small island.they don't understand the pressure we are having also, if this girl turns up dead we have a problem we were the last seen with her . I lost a lot of friends who think we had to do something with this, many of my friends supported us also brought food etc. for us at home and know we are innocent, we are innocent also we promise i would NEVER hurt anyone in anyway, i would do every everything to help find her thats what we told eveyone also , i would take a bullet to save her and bring her back to her family if i had to so would my friend also.i would never never hurt anyone i'm a very happy and social person who likes to make friends with people and not hurting them
So (NAME DELETED) i will say goodbye now hope you believe me and i pray to god that they find natalee soon and find her well so that this nightmare ends for all of us and they we prove we had nothing to do with this, i hope you pray for all of us say hi to everyone there hope to hear from you soon and may god bless.........
bye bye
Deepak.
Posted by: Lexy | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 11:21 PM
Did anyone compare the Skeeter tapes to the alleged Deepak email to see if the styles were consistant?
Posted by: coastal | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 11:23 PM
That's the truth and it is obvious that Dan just keeps letting the same banned posters back in again just to cause trouble.
Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:43 PM
No, Dan let's ALL of us post, regardless of their banter. I am so tired of hearing the sam s**t from the same people who feel because they were the first to post on this blog, they own it. We I thought were all here for the same reason, Natalee. Not to run the blog folks, I"m thinking, that's Dan's job. Thank you Dan!
Posted by: lookin4info | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 11:26 PM
They missed one?
So betty that was my part of the story ....
So (NAME DELETED) i will say goodbye now ....
Posted by: Wayne | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 11:26 PM
deepak's email was a script. when was it written? all the agreed lies are there.
Posted by: iquitos | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 11:29 PM
If it is cocktail hour, where is mine?
Posted by: coastal | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 11:30 PM
if a person could dig up a body shortly after it was buried and rebury it it wouldn't bother them to do it again would it? at that rate Dompig will never find her
Posted by: hopingforthebest | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:49 PM
My guess....never. He was way too kind letting the "suspects" have some time to get things together.
He is just such a loser.
Posted by: lookin4info | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 11:30 PM
That's the truth and it is obvious that Dan just keeps letting the same banned posters back in again just to cause trouble.
Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:43 PM
No, Dan let's ALL of us post, regardless of their banter. I am so tired of hearing the sam s**t from the same people who feel because they were the first to post on this blog, they own it. We I thought were all here for the same reason, Natalee. Not to run the blog folks, I"m thinking, that's Dan's job. Thank you Dan!
Posted by: lookin4info | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 11:26 PM
Thanks for making my point.
Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 11:31 PM
"U.S. Rep. Spencer Bachus, R-Vestavia Hills, said Saturday there were circumstances surrounding Holloway's disappearance that warranted the FBI being heavily involved. He declined to give details.
"The circumstances were disturbing," said Bachus, who formally requested the FBI's involvement. "I can't get into it, but it's something the family is aware of. There was an immediate recognition that this was not simply a teen who wandered off."
Posted by: pathenry | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 10:39 PM
"...but it's something the family is aware of."
This sounds much more sinister than J2K doing something to Natalee Holloway. Okay, just speculation -- this is totally a farce played on TV every night. The Twittys, the Holloways, Paul VDS are all aware of some HUGE thing that happened to Natalee. They are playing this reality show every night while the FBI, Interpol, and other government LE departments are hard at work finding the real perpetrators.
I agree -- when the Congressman left that meeting he looked very disturbed.
Posted by: sensible1 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 11:32 PM
FEB with horns and a bottle of Booze
http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/viewtopic.php?t=32&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=425
Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 11:36 PM
Yep there is no excuse what so ever !! Can we say coverup. LOL
Posted by: "HurricaneMary" | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:29 PM
I dont' see cover up at this point. I see total ineptitude is what I see. They've never had to deal with something like this, so ok, go and ask the experts. They needed help, too proud to ask? Maybe, but this is a missing young girl. Deal with it, ask for the help if you're not able to do the necessary task yourself.
Posted by: lookin4info | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 11:38 PM
deepak's email was a script. when was it written? all the agreed lies are there.
Posted by: iquitos | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 11:29 PM
yup, seems scripted. it was posted June 21, 2005, don't know when the alleged e-mail was sent to (NAMEbettyDELETED)though.....
Posted by: Lexy | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 11:42 PM
I think once proven scientific tests are available, it should be mandatory during the first 3 months of gestation.
As for 9 year olds that have a tendancy towards violence...what do you suggest? Hugs and a round of kumbaha?
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:55 PM
I can't believe you r4 real. Is it just me?
Posted by: lookin4info | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 11:21 PM
It's not just you.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 11:49 PM
I don't understand why the main interviewers don't ask Beth/Jug these questions about the MB kids items in the possession of Jones??? You can't just keep softballing on interviews, especially on something that has captured the attention of so many people. I was very dissappointed in the Dompig interview. When Beth cried at the end, I almost threw up -- with all the locals who have reported on her demeanor and activities when the cameras are not around, I just don't buy it anymore. It sounds cold hearted and I'm a pretty big softie, I just don't believe her act.
Keep us posted on anything you hear. Thanks again. Moey
Posted by: moey | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:01 PM
Hey Moey, I thank you for what you did for the family. No, not family myself but would do that for any stranger under those circumstances. You are wonderful as many other Arubans.
I think the beef here is that some believe that Beth has been told certain things and nobody here is privy to those things. Others believe that she is just a money hungry monger. Personally, I do not believe that. I believe that she is a DESPARATE MOTHER looking for her daughter, wanting to take her home and nothing more like some here have implied. She is not missing her daughter trying to make money. SOMEONE here linked a sight trying to say that the Mom was making money from the sight, look at it, it is a NOT FOR PROFIT organization.
Posted by: lookin4info | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 11:49 PM
NOT FOR PROFIT organization.
Posted by: lookin4info | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 11:49 PM
many "not for profit" organizations have executives that are VERY well paid. Not for profit does not mean no one gets paid, nor does it mean no one gets paid well.
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 11:52 PM
This sounds much more sinister than J2K doing something to Natalee Holloway. Okay, just speculation -- this is totally a farce played on TV every night. The Twittys, the Holloways, Paul VDS are all aware of some HUGE thing that happened to Natalee. They are playing this reality show every night while the FBI, Interpol, and other government LE departments are hard at work finding the real perpetrators.
I agree -- when the Congressman left that meeting he looked very disturbed.
Posted by: sensible1 | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 11:32 PM
Interesting concept....Back to the Kidnap..Who might that be ?..FARC?..
Russian mafia?..
NOT that dern Suadi rich dude again?
Not H... ...no way!...Anyone seen Amy lately?..hmm
..After all this time with all these agency's from around the world all cooperating ??
They must be up against the devil himself..
You named some very powerful goverment agencies...
With Guns and they know how to use them :}
Access to investigative toys ...
Posted by: edward | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 11:53 PM
edward: they give you this opening time and time again. who are these guys?
Posted by: iquitos | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 11:57 PM
The only thing that reall really bothers me about the Deepak email is the gushing at the end....it seems stupid and not like him, but the best part is the taking of the bullet! Who would say a stupid thing like that anyway? GMAB Deepak is cool...he's got the souped up car, he's around 21, he's got friends and a social scene at his job, he knows how to talk with people - this kid won't take a bullet for anyone!
Posted by: coastal | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 11:58 PM
i wonder what ugly scenario earht painted to bacchus that disturbed him so. maybe she just gave him arbeej's emails.
Posted by: iquitos | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:00 AM
many "not for profit" organizations have executives that are VERY well paid. Not for profit does not mean no one gets paid, nor does it mean no one gets paid well.
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 11:52 PM
no sh^^ Sherlock, show me the proof that the family is profitting from ANY of this. Links would be appreciate.
Posted by: lookin4info | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:03 AM
the kalpoe boys are looked on with suspicion becasue they have not given in to media pressure. joran's interviews have left them hanging. of course the media did burn deepak real bad and got a way with it. i hope he succumbs soon to greta.
Posted by: iquitos | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:04 AM
no sh^^ Sherlock, show me the proof that the family is profitting from ANY of this. Links would be appreciate.
Posted by: lookin4info | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:03 AM
prove they arent...links would be appreciated.
Posted by: woebegone | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:05 AM
I want a link to exactly where Beth buried Natalee.
Posted by: coastal | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:07 AM
God bless Natalee Holloway and her family.
God bless those who post here seeking Natalee and the truth.
God bless our service men and women and keep them safe.
Posted by: lefty | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:07 AM
never heard of the united way scandal where the chief exec of the nonprofit pays himself a big salary and has lots perks big office, free trips, first class, etc.? they take charitable donations the public thinks are going to the needy and they eat it up in overhead. that is the beauty of a nonprofit. the getty museum is being investigated as we speak for an abusive director who was milking the place with the board's acquiesence. we are not talking real big but if beth can earn say, $100,000 a year with an office and a secretary plus her fees for appearances she will personally profit from a non profit. nothing wrong with it. but that is what it is. profitting.
Posted by: iquitos | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:09 AM
Posted by: coastal | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:07 AM
IMO, She was cremated.
Posted by: pathenry | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:11 AM
no sh^^ Sherlock, show me the proof that the family is profitting from ANY of this. Links would be appreciate.
Posted by: lookin4info | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:03 AM
prove they arent...links would be appreciated.
Posted by: woebegone | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:05 AM
Links on this subject? You and the link crew should have these if they are out there. The family is NOT PROFITTING from this, if they are show me the links where they are making money off their daughters disappearance. Please show me. Not just the stupid go to this link or that, show me. Just because someone is a member/named officer of a NO PROFIT org doesn't mean they are making $$..SHOW ME!!
Posted by: lookin4info | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:11 AM
-thanks lefty. you are appreciated. bless you too.
-there are even books on the subject of nonprofit abuse: http://www.wiley.com/WileyCDA/WileyTitle/productCd-0471174564.html
Posted by: iquitos | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:12 AM
SOMEONE here linked a sight trying to say that the Mom was making money from the sight, look at it, it is a NOT FOR PROFIT organization.
Posted by: lookin4info | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 11:49 PM
Not-for-profit doesn't mean Mom isn't going to be making money. The Director will get a salary and expenses.
Posted by: sensible1 | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:14 AM
Posted by: lookin4info | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:11 AM
FACT: You are free to believe Beth is working for nothing, speaking for nothing, just letting all those donations sit in an account without accessing any of it.
FACT: I am free to believe Beth is indeed using the donation money for trips, clothes, dining out, "social" engagements or anything else I choose to think she is doing with them.
FACT: You saying something does NOT make it so.
Posted by: woebegone | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:14 AM
never heard of the united way scandal where the chief exec of the nonprofit pays himself a big salary and has lots perks big office, free trips, first class, etc.? they take charitable donations the public thinks are going to the needy and they eat it up in overhead. that is the beauty of a nonprofit. the getty museum is being investigated as we speak for an abusive director who was milking the place with the board's acquiesence. we are not talking real big but if beth can earn say, $100,000 a year with an office and a secretary plus her fees for appearances she will personally profit from a non profit. nothing wrong with it. but that is what it is. profitting.
Posted by: iquitos | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:09 AM
Come on...let's see, making money like these asses did or missing a dtr and making money, lets get real here. Maybe that is how some of you folks out there would be, is that what it is? You all thnk they're making money and you're not? Don't be such a giant dufus.....
Posted by: lookin4info | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:16 AM
unembalmed dead bodies get real messy real fast when you start moving them around. they leak fluids and leave forensic evidence. they smell real bad too. no small matter. hard to imagine these kids digiig up and moving bodies without leaving a trace. i don't think pine sol will do it.
Posted by: iquitos | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:16 AM
i have no idea what they are doing with the donations. they don't deign to tell me. dave will make some money on his book that he did not write. what will he do with that money? i think he is entitled to it.
Posted by: iquitos | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:19 AM
Good nite all, hope everyone gets a good nights sleep. I know I can sleep well.
Oh and long way off from United Way scandal, they've ALWAYS been a scandal..Most way back when thought they were the greatest..NOT
Keep the peace!
Posted by: lookin4info | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:19 AM
Posted by: iquitos | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:00 AM
I am just not sure...:} All the secret stuff .. Where does that come from?
BUT ..I have never seen a secretary of state make a meeting with a mother of a missing person...
Who knows...All I know is I do not know much...
Was I wrong or are all the names messed up in that photo of all the gals?
Posted by: edward | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:20 AM
jenna Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 10:45 pm
Did MB kids ask Joran to take Natalee to the hotel-read this
I have been working on my case note for my message board. I ran across this from Scared Monkeys. I had a very interesting thought. I understand that there are restaurants near CnC that turn into clubs after 11:00 p.m. and are open after CnC closes. Read these posts below and think about this. About 15 MB kids were still there at closing including Natalee. Could it be possible that those kids wanted to go clubbing and wanted to ditch a very drunk, sick Natalee? Remember when Greta said she met someone in Boston with information. Then Greta did a total 180 and believes Joran. Was the reason that the MB kids did not report that Natalee went off that they sent Natalee to be dropped off at the hotel with Joran?
AmericaninAruba Says:
June 10th, 2005 at 1:31 pm
Mtn Brk Grad…having the oportunityt o teb so close to freinds and the community….I wanted to ask you what their honest opinion is about this hole situation?
Was Natalee really drunk? We just heard a couple from Boston say that they saw her totaly wasted in the bathroom,,,,her girlfreinds were “fixing her up” and asked the guys to take her to the hotel?? Everytime we hear something new…..can you give us some insight from Alabama?
alabama journalist Says:
June 10th, 2005 at 2:31 pm
she was drinking heavily from all the witness reports as well as what the AP is publishing. She met the guy two days before at a casino and that is why her friends did nothing when she left the bar with him. I have also confirmed that the Costa Rica story is 100 percent true. Her parents filed a missing persons report in CR. Natalee showed up 4 days later with little explanation as to where she had been
http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/viewtopic.php?t=220
Posted by: gagal_05 | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:21 AM
http://arts.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,1696923,00.html
Scandal overshadows Getty Villa reopening
... While the trust's endowment has lost more than $1bn in two years because of declining stock markets, its chief executive, Barry Munitz, has attracted attention for his lavish pay and lifestyle. His annual pay of $1.2m, the trust's gift of a Porsche to him and criticism of his expenses claims have led to various investigations.
Posted by: iquitos | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:22 AM
Posted by: iquitos | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:22 AM
This is why I never make a donation to ANYONE unless there is public disclosure of how every dollar is spent. I want to know just what percentage of my donation will be used for its "cause" and what will be used to line the pockets of its executives.
Posted by: woebegone | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:24 AM
The FARC released 2 people just the other day..So things are looking up..:}
Posted by: edward | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:25 AM
Anyways I am off to bed..Goodnight everyone..Always good reading ALL your posts..:}
Posted by: edward | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:26 AM
condi is from alabama and she is a politician. she gave the elizabeth ann a little face time to try to keep her from upsetting our strategic interests in aruba. fair tradeoff.
Posted by: iquitos | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:26 AM
most nonprofits are required to disclose how their money is spent. most spend more money on raising money than they do on core activities.
Posted by: iquitos | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:28 AM
night edward. i am right behind you.
Posted by: iquitos | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:29 AM
aaawww, edward likes me too :)
Posted by: coastal | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:30 AM
Prime suspect has lied repeatedly about his involvement with Natalee Holloway during the last moments she was known to be alive. He appears to be lying still. He appears guilty of criminal wrong-doing.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:48 PM
Funny everything that you attribute to the "prime suspects" could also be attributed to Beth and all the MB teens. If you ever really kept up with all the controversial statements made by Beth and company you would know this and question what it is that they are covering up about this case. This forum is a waste of time for anyone interested in this case because it is clear that those who paricipate on it the most are only interested in the first weeks of the crime. Most of you are "stuck on stupid" for there is far more information out there that causes too much concern that there is far more to this that goes beyond the "prime suspects" and the fact they initially lied. Many of you are so blindly supporting the "grieving mother" that you can not see the irony that she has showed little to none of any true emotions and has not released any funds to search for her daughter. I don't know what the answer is as to why and how Natalee disappeared but I am certain that there is far more to this story that goes way beyond the "prime suspects" lied and therefore they are guilty. As for you, ViVi, I believe that all you are doing is playing devil's advocate or pollyanna for the underdog that you think some of us have made out of Beth. If you really were objective and stood back and looked at this case in your lawyer's mind, you would know that this case does not by present facts totally point towards the "prime suspects".
There are few posters left on this forum to keep the many controversial and relevant issues alive which has made this forum not worthy IMO because is very boring to just rehash the same old shit that Joran and 2K lied thereby they are guilty. Perhaps it is as simple as that, maybe they are guilty "as hell", but what keeps this case interesting is the manner in which Beth and company have lied and manipulated the public. That is what continues to interest me about this case, I don't delude myself that I can solve anything on these forums, but I know that there has been agenda executed by the family and those in MB and I want to undestand why. Natalee's disppearance could have been maintained in the media in far more ethical modes of action, why did Beth and company execute this whole mess in such a way that alienated many people? Why has so many people, that I believe are compassionate and would never condemned a "grieving mother", have evolved to want to know WTF goes on in MB for a missing young woman's case to have come to this where outrageous, slanderous, and unfounded BS is said about the "prime suspects" and all of Aruba's people. Who the hell is Beth and WTF has given her the right to spew such hatred in the name of justice for Natalee, while loading up the trust funds and not spending a known dime on the search for her daughter? If something doesn't stink in MB as evident by the actions of Beth and company, then why is there so many on this forum that do nothing but try to keep people from smelling it? Everyday the same mantra, where is Natalee....why do Joran and 2K lie.......then the chuckle that I'm so glad this forum isn't hateful and doesn't bash poor Beth......what is more hateful bashing Beth for the real damage she has done by her actions to convolute the initial disappearance of Natalee while on a vandetta agains't Joran or those very actions that Beth chose to make sure that Natalee was forgotten while she flies around the country and hoarding her money while making sure that the attention stays away from the very people that may know or aid in finding the truth.....the MB teens.
Posted by: Isanah | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:31 AM
Posted by: iquitos | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:26 AM
You may be right..
Did condi meet with Posner?
Did Condi meet with Josey?
Did Condi meet with Gandi?
How about Arlene ?
lol..You know I am just jokeing around..right?..
<--turns and runs..lol
Posted by: edward | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:31 AM
LA PAZ, Bolivia - U.S. diplomats expressed concern at suggestions by Bolivia's left-leaning president that Washington had a role in hotels bombings that killed two people, saying his comments could impede efforts to cooperate in the fight against terror.
A Bolivian judge on Thursday charged a mentally disturbed American and his Uruguayan lover with murder and falsifying documents for the two bombings of the low-budget hotels late Tuesday and early Wednesday that left two people dead and seven injured.
Triston Jay Amero, 24, and his pregnant partner, Alda Ribeiro, 45, were ordered held in "preventive detention" pending trial by Judge Williams Davila, who said he would evaluate Amero's request for a psychiatric evaluation as well as Ribeiro's request for a medical exam.
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American terrorists from California bombing Bolivia! Who would have thunk it. ;>)
Bigfish
Posted by: Bigfish | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:32 AM
American terrorists from California bombing Bolivia! Who would have thunk it. ;>)
Bigfish
Posted by: Bigfish | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:32 AM
Is that where my crazy neighbors went on vacation ???..lol
Posted by: edward | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:35 AM
Was Natalee really drunk? We just heard a couple from Boston say that they saw her totaly wasted in the bathroom,,,,her girlfreinds were “fixing her up” and asked the guys to take her to the hotel?? Everytime we hear something new…..can you give us some insight from Alabama?
alabama journalist Says:
June 10th, 2005 at 2:31 pm
she was drinking heavily from all the witness reports as well as what the AP is publishing. She met the guy two days before at a casino and that is why her friends did nothing when she left the bar with him. I have also confirmed that the Costa Rica story is 100 percent true. Her parents filed a missing persons report in CR. Natalee showed up 4 days later with little explanation as to where she had been
Posted by: gagal_05 | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:21 AM
so....Joran's account of his night with Natalee and the condition she was in is false? or were the couple from Boston mistaken? Verified info shows she met him the same night,not 2 days before, in the casino, Joran also confirms this.
Posted by: Lexy | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:36 AM
American terrorists from California bombing Bolivia! Who would have thunk it. ;>)
Bigfish
Posted by: Bigfish | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:32 AM
Well hell, as Joe M says...one American is worth more than 1000 foreigners, so why not?
Posted by: woebegone | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:36 AM
Posted by: Isanah | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:31 AM
Well said, Isanah
Posted by: gagal_05 | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:37 AM
isanah thanks for the continued effort to keep us "on track" (no train allusion intended). i too am interested in the motive of the family in creating this hostile atmosphere from day one and keeping it up to date. they have done unfogeiveable things and i can't for the life of me figure out what it is they are up to. the bottom line is trust. they lost mine early on and have done nothing to even try to regain it. i think a lot of americans feel this way. we heard it last night on the radio. something is rotten in denmark.
Posted by: iquitos | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:39 AM
remember michael townley in chile?
Posted by: iquitos | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:40 AM
Posted by: Isanah | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:31 AM
Well said, Isanah
Posted by: gagal_05 | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:37 AM
I try! :) I miss when this forum was "functional" and explored ALL the issues!
Posted by: Isanah | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:40 AM
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-dynamite26mar26,0,3722073.story?coll=la-home-world
verdict: nutcase.
Posted by: iquitos | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:43 AM
Posted by: Isanah | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:31 AM
Well said, Isanah
Posted by: gagal_05 | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:37 AM
I try! :) I miss when this forum was "functional" and explored ALL the issues!
Posted by: Isanah | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:40 AM
I miss that too.:)
Posted by: gagal_05 | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:43 AM
So by looking at Joran's face when he talks, vivi can determine guilt? That is truly amazing. She really is an expert in all things.
I have no idea who did what here, but I want justice for all victims. I cannot convict a person by looking at their face. If I could get a look at some of the evidence I could get off my uncomfortable perch on this fence.
Posted by: coastal | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:43 AM
American terrorists from California bombing Bolivia! Who would have thunk it. ;>)
Bigfish
Posted by: Bigfish | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:32 AM
Well hell, as Joe M says...one American is worth more than 1000 foreigners, so why not?
Posted by: woebegone | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:36 AM
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I don't believe I even heard it mentioned on any of the MSM outlets. Is that just simply fricken unbelievable.
BF
Posted by: Bigfish | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:44 AM
the board is moribund. the old timers are tired or gone. some of the newcomers see a different purpose. today we really slid off the track. we do when we have solved a problem and talked it out and are drifting until the next one presents. witnesses come, witnesses go.
Posted by: iquitos | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:45 AM
what issue shall we expolre now.
Posted by: iquitos | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:47 AM
the board is moribund. the old timers are tired or gone. some of the newcomers see a different purpose. today we really slid off the track. we do when we have solved a problem and talked it out and are drifting until the next one presents. witnesses come, witnesses go.
Posted by: iquitos | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:45 AM
Today was really one of the low points of this board. IMO
Posted by: gagal_05 | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:48 AM
explore. one typo too many. i quit for now. hope you guys can get it back together.
Posted by: iquitos | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:48 AM
I don't believe I even heard it mentioned on any of the MSM outlets. Is that just simply fricken unbelievable.
BF
Posted by: Bigfish | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:44 AM
Well, you know it was very important to once more establish Natalee's character that she never did drugs as verified by Dave on Rita, and Linda Allison on Scarborough! You did catch the news break scrolled across the screen that Natalee was taking a Z-pack for a sinus infection......lol
Posted by: Isanah | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:48 AM
You did catch the news break scrolled across the screen that Natalee was taking a Z-pack for a sinus infection......lol
Posted by: Isanah | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:48 AM
Breaking News...LOL
Posted by: gagal_05 | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:49 AM
I think once proven scientific tests are available, it should be mandatory during the first 3 months of gestation.
As for 9 year olds that have a tendancy towards violence...what do you suggest? Hugs and a round of kumbaha?
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:55 PM
I suggest a bullet to the brain of his parents for spawning the evil one. Whatever were they thinking?
Posted by: CateKelly | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:50 AM
I suggest a bullet to the brain of his parents for spawning the evil one. Whatever were they thinking?
Posted by: CateKelly | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:50 AM
Thats one possible solution
Posted by: woebegone | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:52 AM
drop it cate. go back to soaping the little bottoms.
Posted by: iquitos | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:53 AM
I think once proven scientific tests are available, it should be mandatory during the first 3 months of gestation.
As for 9 year olds that have a tendancy towards violence...what do you suggest? Hugs and a round of kumbaha?
Posted by: woebegone | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:55 PM
I suggest a bullet to the brain of his parents for spawning the evil one. Whatever were they thinking?
Posted by: CateKelly | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:50 AM
I may not agree with much you say CK but WTH drugs was woe taking today? What a strange bunch of stuff he/she posted today! Not going to touch that subject...well, I'm just doing a drive by and hoping some day this forum will have the answers as to where is Natalee! :)
Posted by: Isanah | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:55 AM
drop it cate. go back to soaping the little bottoms.
Posted by: iquitos | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:53 AM
Has that radar picked up all that soap that's floating down there
Posted by: plhtx | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:55 AM
I do find it amazing that the same ones that swear they can "see guilt" or "tell by looking at someone they are guilty" have such a problem with thinking scientific equiptment could be developed which would be able to predict violent behavior based on brain structure.
Posted by: woebegone | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:56 AM
Bethco has exploited every part of Natalee, why stop at the prescription? Why was it not on the missing posters in her description "needs medication"?? If that really was Natalee's pill bottle Bethco would have been waving it around with the crisp one dollar bills.
It became Natalee's medicine when Greta looked at it. That was Beth's medicine! She was sleeping in that room long before Faux came with cameras. Enough, enough of the ZS!
Posted by: coastal | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:57 AM
Well, you know it was very important to once more establish Natalee's character that she never did drugs as verified by Dave on Rita, and Linda Allison on Scarborough! You did catch the news break scrolled across the screen that Natalee was taking a Z-pack for a sinus infection......lol
Posted by: Isanah | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:48 AM
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It was disconcerting to me tonight that the HMI crew went into "damage control mode" when it really wasn't even called for. Surely no one is going to believe Dompig anyway. Or Cohen. I'm not going to get fooled again.
What is "the family" hiding???? Even Greta's "team" was "shell shocked."
BF
Posted by: Bigfish | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:57 AM
I may not agree with much you say CK but WTH drugs was woe taking today? What a strange bunch of stuff he/she posted today! Not going to touch that subject...well, I'm just doing a drive by and hoping some day this forum will have the answers as to where is Natalee! :)
Posted by: Isanah | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:55 AM
Call the village and let them know we found Hitler's sister.
Posted by: CateKelly | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:58 AM
Call the village and let them know we found Hitler's sister.
Posted by: CateKelly | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:58 AM
You betcha :)
Posted by: woebegone | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:59 AM
This is why I never make a donation to ANYONE unless there is public disclosure of how every dollar is spent. I want to know just what percentage of my donation will be used for its "cause" and what will be used to line the pockets of its executives.
Posted by: woebegone | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:24 AM
Salvation Army - more good deeds to the buck.
Posted by: sensible1 | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:59 AM
earht was definitely on something that night she spoke with greta in natalee's memorial room. yes greta, yes greta. whatever greta.
Posted by: iquitos | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 01:00 AM
The other media circus with a daughter as a pawn...
March 27, 2006 — Although Terri Schiavo was laid to rest a year ago Friday after the longest right-to-die battle in American history, the war between her family, the Schindlers, and her husband of 21 years, Michael Schiavo, rages on.
Schiavo fought the Schindlers in court for eight years over Terri's removal from life support, arguing she would not have wanted to be kept alive in a permanent vegetative state. The Schindlers disagreed that she was in a permanent vegetative state and that she would want to die. The feud that came to involve 40 court petitions and appeals, a governor, a president, and Congress continues in two new books.
Schiavo's book, "Terri: The Truth," is being released today, one day before Bob and Mary Schindler's "A Life That Matters" hits stores.
In his book, Schiavo admits he's settling some scores. He unloaded his feelings Sunday on NBC's "Dateline" in his first interview since his wife died. Among his accusations is that Terri's family, including her father, demanded the money from a malpractice award.
"First, he asked when the money was coming down, and then he asked me, 'How much money am I going to get?''' Schiavo told "Dateline."
"I said. … 'I'm giving it all to Terri.' Then with some anger in his voice, he pointed at Terri and said, 'Well, how much is she going to give me?' She's not going to give you anything. That money is entrusted with a guardian."
On "Good Morning America," the Schindlers admitted there was a disagreement over money. They said it was because they wanted the money from the malpractice suit to go to Terri's rehabilitation and Schiavo spent it on legal fees.
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=1771858&page=1
Posted by: gagal_05 | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 01:00 AM
i am sure somebody is distorting what woebegone meant to say. this is disruptive behavior we don't need here. take a hike.
Posted by: iquitos | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 01:02 AM
This is why I never make a donation to ANYONE unless there is public disclosure of how every dollar is spent. I want to know just what percentage of my donation will be used for its "cause" and what will be used to line the pockets of its executives.
Posted by: woebegone | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:24 AM
Salvation Army - more good deeds to the buck.
Posted by: sensible1 | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 12:59 AM
Red Cross, United Way. There's greed everywhere. But, there is a big difference between those charities and a family trust that is funded by the family.
Posted by: CateKelly | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 01:03 AM
Red Cross, United Way. There's greed everywhere. But, there is a big difference between those charities and a family trust that is funded by the family.
Posted by: CateKelly | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 01:03 AM
I do believe the save yourself campaigne is being funded by donations...not family. Yet no disclosure as to just how those donations will be used. Ripe for misuse IMO.
Posted by: woebegone | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 01:05 AM
i am sure somebody is distorting what woebegone meant to say. this is disruptive behavior we don't need here. take a hike.
Posted by: iquitos | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 01:02 AM
I dont think so. Ask Woe.
Posted by: ViVi | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 01:05 AM
red cross is being investigated for corruption in katrina aftermath. this is not a family trust here cate. it is a new entity. are you stuck on stupid?
Posted by: iquitos | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 01:05 AM
i am sure somebody is distorting what woebegone meant to say. this is disruptive behavior we don't need here. take a hike.
Posted by: iquitos | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 01:02 AM
I don't think so. That was the most sick thing I've ever heard of.
Posted by: plhtx | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 01:06 AM
I don't think so. That was the most sick thing I've ever heard of.
Posted by: plhtx | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 01:06 AM
Then you dont get out much LOL
Posted by: woebegone | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 01:07 AM
I do believe the save yourself campaigne is being funded by donations...not family. Yet no disclosure as to just how those donations will be used. Ripe for misuse IMO.
Posted by: woebegone | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 01:05 AM
Of course there's disclosure and reporting to the IRS.
Posted by: ViVi | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 01:07 AM
Then you dont get out much LOL
Posted by: woebegone | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 01:07 AM
You'd be suprised
Posted by: plhtx | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 01:07 AM
the subject is off topic. lets just drop it. are you three trying to sow dissension? you have been at this all day.
Posted by: iquitos | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 01:08 AM
What three? And how so?
Posted by: ViVi | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 01:09 AM
the subject is off topic. lets just drop it. are you three trying to sow dissension? you have been at this all day.
Posted by: iquitos | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 01:08 AM
You're the one that just posted about it.
Posted by: plhtx | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 01:09 AM
the subject is off topic. lets just drop it. are you three trying to sow dissension? you have been at this all day.
Posted by: iquitos | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 01:08 AM
No, not really...just tired of being told how inferior everyone is that doesnt go along with the party line of thinking.
Posted by: woebegone | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 01:09 AM
duh! cate vivi plhtx. all day long. tried to ignore. tired of it.
Posted by: iquitos | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 01:10 AM
They said it was because they wanted the money from the malpractice suit to go to Terri's rehabilitation and Schiavo spent it on legal fees.
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=1771858&page=1
Posted by: gagal_05 | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 01:00 AM
Hospice care is one of the greatest, most compassionate programs our government funds. I can't remember how long Terri was in hospice but it was much longer than the six months the gov't ususally allows. The tab for hospice care is picked up by taxpayers and Terri didn't qualify yet Schiavo's attorney got the govt to pick up the tab. Shameless.
Posted by: CateKelly | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 01:11 AM
i recognize a tag team when i see one.
Posted by: iquitos | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 01:11 AM
duh! cate vivi plhtx. all day long. tried to ignore. tired of it.
Posted by: iquitos | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 01:10 AM
Because you dont agree with one or all of us? We're in the minority most of the time, and I havent seen any of us tell you to take a hike. Just stating opinions, and they're topics that were brought up by other posters.
Posted by: ViVi | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 01:13 AM
They said it was because they wanted the money from the malpractice suit to go to Terri's rehabilitation and Schiavo spent it on legal fees.
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=1771858&page=1
Posted by: gagal_05 | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 01:00 AM
Hospice care is one of the greatest, most compassionate programs our government funds. I can't remember how long Terri was in hospice but it was much longer than the six months the gov't ususally allows. The tab for hospice care is picked up by taxpayers and Terri didn't qualify yet Schiavo's attorney got the govt to pick up the tab. Shameless.
Posted by: CateKelly | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 01:11 AM
About as shameless as Beth Twitty collecting donations and never using any of it for the many searches for her daughter.
Posted by: gagal_05 | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 01:13 AM
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-dynamite26mar26,0,3722073.story?coll=la-home-world
Posted by: iquitos | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 01:14 AM
Sad team at that!
Posted by: coastal | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 01:14 AM
duh! cate vivi plhtx. all day long. tried to ignore. tired of it.
Posted by: iquitos | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 01:10 AM
what about woe....I had never even heard of anything like this until she brought the topic up....so why not her
Posted by: plhtx | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 01:14 AM
red cross is being investigated for corruption in katrina aftermath. this is not a family trust here cate. it is a new entity. are you stuck on stupid?
Posted by: iquitos | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 01:05 AM
The Getty trust is a family trust.
Posted by: CateKelly | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 01:15 AM
Sad team at that!
Posted by: coastal | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 01:14 AM
So very true!
Posted by: gagal_05 | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 01:15 AM
On the black helicopter.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:24 PM
where Natalee was waiting, reading Dr. Spock.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:28 PM
and timing her contractions.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:43 PM
while sipping a martini.
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:46 PM
and freebasing.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:48 PM
while penning her memoir, "In the House of My Parents."
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:54 PM
and making racial slurs.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:56 PM
while dressing like a slut
Posted by: plhtx | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 06:57 PM
while dictating a letter to Paulus
Posted by: CateKelly | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:03 PM
And singinig Freebird.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:05 PM
Posted by: iquitos | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 01:16 AM
you can tell me to take a hike anytime you want if i am harping and taunting all day long on extraneous matters. you were overdoing it with woebegone. you piled on like you smelled blood and would not lay off.
Posted by: iquitos | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 01:19 AM
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 27, 2006 at 07:05 PM
Posted by: iquitos | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 01:16 AM
What does the above have to do with woe?
Posted by: plhtx | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 01:22 AM
the getty trust is not a family trust
ttp://www.getty.edu/about/getty/history.html
Posted by: iquitos | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 01:22 AM
What does the above have to do with woe?
Posted by: plhtx | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 01:22 AM
Sadly, it appears she carries that evil gene that Woe wants exterminated.
Posted by: CateKelly | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 01:23 AM
it is an example of teamwork. nothing to do with woebegone.
Posted by: iquitos | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 01:25 AM
June 22, 2005
COLMES: And you're prepared to stay here and do this for as long as it takes to get a resolution?
TWITTY: Oh, absolutely. Absolutely.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160612,00.html
She sure changed her mind on that. Guess her media shows and public speeches are more important.
Posted by: gagal_05 | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 01:26 AM
you can tell me to take a hike anytime you want if i am harping and taunting all day long on extraneous matters. you were overdoing it with woebegone. you piled on like you smelled blood and would not lay off.
Posted by: iquitos | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 01:19 AM
I admit I should not have taken the bait. It is an area of science I think needs to be explored, because I am more for prevention than punishment. Punishment does not work, we have all witnessed that for years. The answers lie within the brain structure, and refusing to study and or acknowledge that is like sticking ones head in the sand. Rest assured, I will not voice a dissenting opinion against the team in the future.
Posted by: woebegone | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 01:27 AM
i will not leave this island without my daughter. (unless i can find a better opportunity.)
Posted by: iquitos | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 01:27 AM
ttp://www.getty.edu/about/getty/history.html
link doesn't work. J. Paul Getty funded the trust as has his other family members. It is not comparable to the Red Cross or United Way.
Posted by: CateKelly | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 01:28 AM
you can tell me to take a hike anytime you want if i am harping and Rest assured, I will not voice a dissenting opinion against the team in the future.
Posted by: woebegone | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 01:27 AM
Unfortunate that some are here for their juvenile tactics and trying to divert conversation.
Posted by: gagal_05 | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 01:29 AM
OCILLA, GA (Crime Library) — Beth Twitty, the grieving mother of missing Alabama teen Natalee Holloway, will join the search this weekend for Tara Grinstead, the 30-year-old school teacher and former beauty queen who vanished more than a month and a half ago after a local pageant.
http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/1205/0701_beth_holloway_twitty_joins_tara_search.html
Tara has yet to be found. All searches are over except for what the family does. Beth appeared long enough to be on interviewd on TV and left.
Posted by: gagal_05 | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 01:33 AM
add an h. i am aware of the differences. the latter two are very big non profits that depend on donations. the former is a privately funded trust that has non profit status. earht set up a private 501 (3) c non profit as a vehicle for her educational activities.
http://www.getty.edu/about/getty/history.html
Posted by: iquitos | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 01:33 AM
Tara has yet to be found. All searches are over except for what the family does.
Posted by: gagal_05 | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 01:33 AM
Fairly typical of a case here in the states. We simply do not have the resources to spend millions on one missing person.
Posted by: woebegone | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 01:36 AM
woebegone don't let them squelch your thoughts. they are out of line for harping to excess against your sincere and thought provoking post.
Posted by: iquitos | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 01:36 AM
Tara has yet to be found. All searches are over except for what the family does.
Posted by: gagal_05 | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 01:33 AM
Fairly typical of a case here in the states. We simply do not have the resources to spend millions on one missing person.
Posted by: woebegone | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 01:36 AM
So true. Beth's reply on 48 Hours that Aruba had spent $3M was that they did not budget enough. How ungrateful can she be? That sense of entitlement shining through yet again.
Posted by: gagal_05 | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 01:41 AM
I am not going to rest easy thinking we have lost a thinker.
Posted by: coastal | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 01:44 AM
woebegone don't let them squelch your thoughts. they are out of line for harping to excess against your sincere and thought provoking post.
Posted by: iquitos | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 01:36 AM
I completely agree, iquitos.
Posted by: gagal_05 | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 01:45 AM
HarryTho 3/27 Natalee Holloway Commentary
Topics: Natalee Holloway
Well, despite all the hoopla about the 48 Hours interview, it essentially came to nothing. Police Chief Dompig has a new witness that the Twitty-Holloway camp refers to as a "drug head" discovered by Art Wood in the early days of the investigation. Then, Police Chief Dompig claims that others were involved in covering up Natalee Holloway's overdose. The Twitty Holloway camp denies any drug usage, and they state any drugs found on Natalee were placed their by the suspects. Paulus' name comes to mind immediately from the Twitty-Holloway camp.
Regardless of what the Aruban authorities or the suspects reveal, the Twitty-Holloway camp, in accompaniment with the cable news networks, mount a counter-campaign. Obviously, there is no satisfying the Twitty-Holloway camp. It is their intention to destroy the economy of Aruba, until someone decides to lynch Joran van der Sloot for whatever reason. Whether Joran was involved in Natalee disappearance is immaterial, the 95%+ White enclave in the Kingdom of Mountain Brook has convicted Joran, because he lied about the Holiday Inn drop off.
It seems like a foregone conclusion that whatever the 95%+ White enclave in the Kingdom of Mountain Brook desires will be supported by the cable news networks. Though the rational of the claims of the Kingdom of Mountain Brook resemble the ramblings of Middle Age witches, it is of no consequence. It is getting to the point that Beth Twitty cannot open her mouth without resorting to ridiculous claims and obvious suppressions. To me, the penalties for witchcraft need to be reinstated for people like Beth Twitty.
One has to wonder who is responsible for the Beth Twitty phenomenon. Who was responsible for keeping this woman and her ramblings in check? Who was responsible for controlling the airings of the cable news networks? Truly, if those individuals are paid by our tax dollars, then they need to be removed immediately. They have failed us.
It is difficult to turn on a cable news show and watch the host pomp like a baboon, chattering the latest Beth Twitty nonsense, as if ripe banana juice were oozing out the side of his mount. When the baboon is queried, she squats upon the excrement of her airings and simply says: Joran lied. That is it. The sum total of all this Twitty-Holloway camp propaganda is: Joran lied.
I could write about the truck of lies emanating from the Twitty-Holloway camp, but of what use would it be? They know they are lying. The cable news networks know that they are lying. Everyone knows that they are lying.
It is this simple: we are rich and influential White people, and we can say or do whatever we want. If we destroy the livelihoods of 70,000 Arubans, so what? If we destroy the reputation of the Dutch legal system, so what? Our precious daughter is missing from an all-expense-paid-all-you-can-drink Aruban vacation. Who cares if young, less fortunate Americans are dying every day in far away lands in order that we can abuse the American system as we choose? Just produce our daughter ... nothing else matters.
If Beth Twitty represents responsible American parenthood, then our soldiers bleed for nothing. The things that we cherish as Americans have suddenly become cheap.
Beth Twitty said that everyone knew Natalee, so the conclusions of Police Chief Dompig can be discarded as nonsense. Well, I suspect everyone does know Natalee. Isn't about time that Americans told Beth Twitty what they think about Natalee Holloway and her mother's choice to allow her daughter to evade the alcohol safety guidelines, enacted by the Alabama Legislature, and booze away, unsupervised, in Aruba.
Isn't it about time that we Americans gave the Aruban police their due and proper respect. It seems only too obvious that Natalee Holloway did overdose. the question remains as to with whom did Natalee overdosed. Was it with the current suspects or with her classmates? I suspect that Joran van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers would have cracked by now. They did not. Of course, Natalee's classmates have not cracked, because they have the protections of the American legal system (Americans are dying for that privilege) and the questionable performance of the Birmingham FBI Office.
I will close this evening with I do not believe any of Natalee's classmates will ever wear the uniform of our country. I just wanted our people in uniform, overseas, to know the kind of people that accompanied Natalee Holloway to Aruba. I pray that they do not get too excited over the rights that Natalee's classmates and their parents have been claiming have been denied.
With Aloha,
Posted for HarryTho
Posted by: gagal_05 | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 01:47 AM
her new entity is a foundation.
Posted by: iquitos | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 01:49 AM
nite all. hope that cleared the air a bit. it was stifling.
Posted by: iquitos | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 01:52 AM
nite all. hope that cleared the air a bit. it was stifling.
Posted by: iquitos | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 01:52 AM
Thank you. That was very much needed. Night.
Posted by: gagal_05 | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 01:53 AM
Maybe those rich white folks in Mountain Brook will invite HarryTho on up to the big house and he can have a sip of sweet tea.
Posted by: CateKelly | Tuesday, March 28, 2006 at 02:05 AM
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mary
craig is just mad b/c you blew his cover.
did you see him signing in here with his aol account?
hello craig@millerauto!!
IF I could meet up with some of these folks I would give them a good bitch slapping !
JUST SOME MORE GARBAGE IN GARBAGE OUT.
Posted by: kat | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 12:44 AM
I gotta whole nother theory 'bout that one...involves at least one of the Twitty twins, an uncle that wasn't sure where DNA would point and a step-daughter with emotional issues.
Posted by: pathenry | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 12:48 AM
Ughh! Pat, this is driving me crazy! I like Stephen King. At least you know in his books that the good will win out over evil no matter how twisted! Well, most of the time!
Thanks, though, for giving me something else to think about. Hmmm.
Posted by: kat | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 12:51 AM
Posted by: kat | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 12:43 AM
That is part of the problem..we don't know who knew what when..or who went where on what..or at what time. Kapische?
Posted by: pathenry | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 12:51 AM
Specifically, "... the party having legal custody of such minor child shall have the exclusive right to commence such action."
Hence, we must question why Dave Holloway would be listed as a plaintiff. Apparently, Dave Holloway has no rights to any benefit, emerging from the lawsuit. Why is he listed?
By being listed as a plaintiff, Dave Holloway exposes himself in the event that the lawsuit goes south. Clearly, the lawsuit is replete with baseless allegation. The threat of a malicious prosecution claim looms upon the horizon.
http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2006/03/harrytho_36_nat.php#more
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Did beth suck Dave in......AGAIN? Poor Dave...the meager sales of his upcoming "book" will never be enough that train hits.
YooooHoooo....ClickityClack....The Train Is Coming....Clear The Track....
Train++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Posted by: Walter Sobchak | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 12:51 AM
That is part of the problem..we don't know who knew what when..or who went where on what..or at what time. Kapische?
Posted by: pathenry | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 12:51 AM
Gotcha!
Posted by: kat | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 12:52 AM
no Jolari I don't think you drink koolaid. I'm not sure where your opinions are I would guess and say you are like fiery and on the fence in the middle.But hey I could be wrong
Posted by: hopingforthebest | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 12:53 AM
Did beth suck Dave in......AGAIN? Poor Dave...the meager sales of his upcoming "book" will never be enough that train hits.
YooooHoooo....ClickityClack....The Train Is Coming....Clear The Track....
Train++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Posted by: Walter Sobchak | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 12:51 AM
Will probaly look like Cindy Sheehan at her book-signing.
Posted by: kat | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 12:54 AM
If Cindy Sheehan is so anti-war, why wasn't she protesting before her son voluntarily signed up to go? This is why I do not respect her or her opinion. If the draft was going on and her son had to go involuntarily, I may see her side of this.
Posted by: kat | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 12:56 AM
pat did any of the early Julia and Angela leads ever involve crack houses?
Posted by: hopingforthebest | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 12:56 AM
Specifically, "... the party having legal custody of such minor child shall have the exclusive right to commence such action."
http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2006/03/harrytho_36_nat.php#more
Ewww...sounds like a booking agent contract.
Posted by: pathenry | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 12:57 AM
Sounds like the belly-button piercing issue that was going on in my house!
Posted by: kat | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 12:58 AM
Posted by: hopingforthebest | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 12:53 AM
It's okay if you do (or anyone else for that matter)--Yeah I am on the fence but keep slipping from side to side.
Friend called me tonight to tell me to go out & check the sunset--thought of you right away. It was beautiful.
Posted by: jolari | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 12:59 AM
ohhhhhhh. Jolari I told GEL when she told me by email that she thought I was posting as you that you had invited me to sit on your porch and paint sunsets to my hearts content.
Posted by: hopingforthebest | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:01 AM
I thought Dave stated that he didn't know the lawsuit was filed, not that he didn't know about the lawsuit. (I'm referring back to harry tho's link that FIery posted.)
If Dave has no rights on this I would say that it was JQK that made the mistake, not that Beth sucked him in.
Posted by: jolari | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:02 AM
Posted by: hopingforthebest | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 12:56 AM
I honestly don't know. IIRC, It was reported that Julia provided the number for a local tipline, early in the investigation...who checked the tipline and all that..I haven't got a clue..not do I know if any of the so-called choller house tips came from that source. There was the story that it was reported that Natalee was being held in a crack house and if the family paid X amount, she would be returned. the family allegedly borrowed money from Angela...but than it turned out not to be Natalee. The Fab 7 than were awake for the next 72 hours...(okay I just made the last part up.) :>)
Posted by: pathenry | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:02 AM
At least so far GEL has only accussed me of being other girl posters LOL
Posted by: hopingforthebest | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:03 AM
There was the story that it was reported that Natalee was being held in a crack house and if the family paid X amount, she would be returned. the family allegedly borrowed money from Angela...but than it turned out not to be Natalee. The Fab 7 than were awake for the next 72 hours...(okay I just made the last part up.) :>)
Posted by: pathenry | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:02 AM
Wasn't it also reported that Beth got money from a local restuarant to help pay this ransom? Where did that come from and is it true?
Posted by: kat | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:05 AM
Posted by: hopingforthebest | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:01 AM
-Have to be before it gets really hot or I'll have to hire some one to fan you. :)
Posted by: jolari | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:05 AM
jolari, it wasn't a mistake. The post of walter and that post are part of the same commentary from Harry. Actually, JQK was brilliant. He was doing what attorneys do, looking out for the best inerests of his client. That is what he did. I wonder if the dad will now lawyer up and fight this. Gee, who is avaiable?
Posted by: fiery | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:05 AM
I saw on tv some kind of new meth called ice. it is cheap and they said people could stay awake for 20 days on it. guess that will be the next thing kids will get hooked on
Posted by: hopingforthebest | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:06 AM
the family allegedly borrowed money from Angela...but than it turned out not to be Natalee. The Fab 7 than were awake for the next 72 hours...(okay I just made the last part up.) :>)
Posted by: pathenry | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:02 AM
Wasn't it also reported that Beth got money from a local restuarant to help pay this ransom? Where did that come from and is it true?
Posted by: kat | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:05 AM
Sorry, this must be what I am talking about. Okay, bedtime for me.
Goodnight everyone!
Posted by: kat | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:07 AM
Posted by: kat | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 12:56 AM
well stated-she is losing her credibility with each stunt.
Posted by: jolari | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:08 AM
Posted by: kat | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:05 AM
This is the same story..it was supposedly Angela's family's restuarant. I don't know if it is true. I think it was referenced in the VF article ( I haven't read it in its entirety)..not that that makes it true ,but I do think it was mentioned in there.
Posted by: pathenry | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:08 AM
Posted by: hopingforthebest | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:06 AM
It's not that new....and I've never met anyone on anything that has kept them up for 20 days. :>)
Posted by: pathenry | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:10 AM
If Dave has no rights on this I would say that it was JQK that made the mistake, not that Beth sucked him in.
Posted by: jolari | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:02 AM
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
It also states at Harry's link that beth said she gave JQK the go ahead because she trusts him 1,000 per cent. She could have said: "but leave dave out of this"
*snicker* at trust
Posted by: Walter Sobchak | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:11 AM
Jolari I would have to come in the winter. I don't do heat well. On the 110 degree heat index days I stay inside and hug the ac
Posted by: hopingforthebest | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:12 AM
both of you are right. Scuba told us it was angela's husband's restaurant, he gave the money. Good memories..
Posted by: fiery | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:12 AM
thats what they said pat unless they misspoke and it was supposed to be 2 days. I never tried that stuff.
Posted by: hopingforthebest | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:14 AM
*snicker* at trust
Posted by: Walter Sobchak | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:11 AM
Poor Robin...can't even get a squeeze after all these years of marriage...the ex still hasn't loosened her grip. (shriek) Ouuchh! ;>)
Posted by: pathenry | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:15 AM
not that that makes it true ,but I do think it was mentioned in there.
Posted by: pathenry | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:08 AM
Think we need to add that to everything we read on this case. Sigh.
Fiery, I thought Dave was ok with this lawsuit. The quote Specifically, "... the party having legal custody of such minor child shall have the exclusive right to commence such action." could mean that Dave could not initiate the lawsuit alone.
Posted by: jolari | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:15 AM
they said Kirby Puckett died
Posted by: hopingforthebest | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:16 AM
Posted by: hopingforthebest | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:14 AM
At 20 days, you'd be on refrigeration...not the ac. :>)
Posted by: pathenry | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:16 AM
Posted by: hopingforthebest | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:16 AM
True. 44 years young.
Posted by: pathenry | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:17 AM
It's not that new....and I've never met anyone on anything that has kept them up for 20 days. :>)
Posted by: pathenry | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:10 AM
side effect of Viagra maybe.
Posted by: jolari | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:17 AM
finally. Miss Priss is ready to go to bed.
Posted by: hopingforthebest | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:18 AM
Holy crap. The link to the vista aruba post...at refugees they isolated this:
Our travel agent assured us as parents that our children would be safe in Aruba on this chaperoned trip.
Posted by: fiery | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:18 AM
they said Kirby Puckett died
Posted by: hopingforthebest | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:16 AM
Yes--been on the news here off & on all evening-So young. He had gained a great deal of weight since he retired.
Posted by: jolari | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:19 AM
Posted by: jolari | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:17 AM
All my meds only cause liver disease, palpitations, or rashes. Can't catch a break. :>)
Posted by: pathenry | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:20 AM
jolari, how could he be all right with it? It seems that if things go wrong he could be the fall guy.
Posted by: fiery | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:20 AM
Jolari I would have to come in the winter. I don't do heat well. On the 110 degree heat index days I stay inside and hug the ac
Posted by: hopingforthebest | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:12 AM
It's usually only bad for about two months. Winter months are much better though. Rain tomorrow maybe-over 130 some days.
Posted by: jolari | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:21 AM
Viagra causes blindness. Just like doing that other thing when you are a teenage boy, that causes blindness too...are we seeing a trend...lol
Posted by: fiery | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:22 AM
Posted by: fiery | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:22 AM
ROFL
Posted by: jolari | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:23 AM
jolari, how could he be all right with it? It seems that if things go wrong he could be the fall guy.
Posted by: fiery | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:20 AM
I know you're not going to want to hear this, and I am not trying to be an antagonist, but I think the analysis quoted by Harry is flawed--I'm not saying he isnt intelligent or respected, OK? Anyway, I'll leave it at that since I doubt you want to hear my reasoning.
Posted by: ViVi | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:24 AM
Our travel agent assured us as parents that our children would be safe in Aruba on this chaperoned trip.
Posted by: fiery | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:18 AM
Interesting that the absolution was so swift and unwavering? Where did Marcia get that tan and those golden tresses?
Posted by: pathenry | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:24 AM
O/T: I can see the old and decrepit taking viagara, when the wife and the pron and the girfriend just don't work anymore. Today I read that guys in their twenties are taking it. Now that is scary. In your twenties you are supposed to be all horny all the time if you are a guy.
Posted by: fiery | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:24 AM
jolari, how could he be all right with it? It seems that if things go wrong he could be the fall guy.
Posted by: fiery | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:20 AM
I have no idea--maybe he isn't aware, maybe Harry is misinterpreting (sp) it-really I don't know.
Posted by: jolari | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:26 AM
Specifically, "... the party having legal custody of such minor child shall have the exclusive right to commence such action."
http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2006/03/harrytho_36_nat.php#more
Ewww...sounds like a booking agent contract.
Posted by: pathenry | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 12:57 AM
I'm still having a problem with Alabama Law being used in the New York lawsuit -- especially as it pertains to the age of the person. Natalee would be considered an adult in every state but Alabama. She is also an adult in Aruba.
Posted by: sensible1 | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:28 AM
Posted by: fiery | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:22 AM
I just see bluish-green hues. Am I okay? :>)
Posted by: pathenry | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:28 AM
Well, If you are a regular harry reader you would know that he doesn't always get everything perfect from the get go...it evolves and ultimately it is correct. There are a few attorney posters who byy PM tell you they are attorneys but don't say it on the blog and they sort of make suggestions and things. So, in the end, harry gets it right. Hey if you don't at least throw it out noone will have anything to discuss. We'll see...it should get interesting now.
Posted by: fiery | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:29 AM
Posted by: fiery | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:24 AM
many of the young guys take it cuz they either drink too much, or snort too much, or light the pipe too much...there's even a name for it. Dope D*ck.
Posted by: pathenry | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:32 AM
Someone over at refugees is in a very bad mood. They basically told some MB posters to f+++ off...in plain english. They said the MB posters are always looking for information and contribute none. I know a few posters like that myself...lol
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pat, very funny....lol
Posted by: fiery | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:32 AM
Now that is scary. In your twenties you are supposed to be all horny all the time if you are a guy.
Posted by: fiery | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:24 AM
Oh great--now we're going to have men in their 30 or 40's going blind. Dang that SS money will be gone sooner than they predict.
Posted by: jolari | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:32 AM
wow, learn something new everyday pat....what a shame though...that should be when you are on call 24/7....so sad actually....
Posted by: fiery | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:33 AM
just see bluish-green hues. Am I okay? :>)
Posted by: pathenry | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:28 AM
depends on what you're looking at--:)
Posted by: jolari | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:33 AM
Section 6-5-391
Wrongful death of minor.
(a) When the death of a minor child is caused by the wrongful act, omission, or negligence of any person, persons, or corporation, or the servants or agents of either, the father, or the mother as specified in Section 6-5-390, or, if the father and mother are both dead or if they decline to commence the action, or fail to do so, within six months from the death of the minor, the personal representative of the minor may commence an action.
(b) An action under subsection (a) for the wrongful death of the minor shall be a bar to another action either under this section or under Section 6-5-410.
(c) Any damages recovered in an action under this section shall be distributed according to the laws of intestate succession, Article 3 (commencing with Section 43-8-40) of Chapter 8 of Title 43.
(Code 1876, §2899; Code 1886, §2588; Code 1896, §26; Code 1907, §2485; Code 1923, §5695; Code 1940, T. 7, §119; Acts 1995, No. 95-774, p. 1834, §1.)
We would discover that "... When the death of a minor child is caused by the wrongful act, omission, or negligence of any person ..." includes Beth Twitty for possible negligence for allowing her minor child, Natalee Holloway, to go on this all-you-drink trip to Aruba, unsupervised. This translates into Dave Holloway becoming a possible claimant against Beth Twitty.
In order to prevent this potential claim, the lawyers for Beth Twitty have included Dave Holloway in their lawsuit. Accordingly Dave Holloway's presence on the lawsuit is designed to prevent a claim against John Q. Kelly's client Beth Twitty for negligence.
In jest, it would appear that Beth Twitty has been running circles around Dave Holloway throughout this entire affair. In just this one page (15) of 102254/2006, we can interpret that Beth implicated Dave Holloway in the lawsuit without his consent, removed his claims of negligence and denied him any benefits from the lawsuit. I guess we can understand now why Dave was left out of the proceeds form the AmSouth Bank FindNataleeFund.
With Aloha,
Posted for HarryTho
http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2006/03/harrytho_36_nat.php#more
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Posted by: Walter Sobchak | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:34 AM
Posted by: fiery | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:29 AM
Got it -Thanks
Posted by: jolari | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:35 AM
jolari, look at the studies. In the clinical trials I don't think they were entirely candid. It is in that little pamphlet that you get with all medications where you need a very good magnifying glass to read it.
Posted by: fiery | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:36 AM
I'm still having a problem with Alabama Law being used in the New York lawsuit -- especially as it pertains to the age of the person. Natalee would be considered an adult in every state but Alabama. She is also an adult in Aruba.
Posted by: sensible1 | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:28 AM
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wasn't there something about if the VDS default (which twit was banking on) then the Plaintiff could choose the venue which would be Bam-mee where Nat was considered a minor?
Posted by: Walter Sobchak | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:38 AM
Someone over at refugees is in a very bad mood. They basically told some MB posters to f+++ off...in plain english. They said the MB posters are always looking for information and contribute none. I know a few posters like that myself...lol
Posted by: fiery | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:32 AM
What thread? That's what I like about here -- it's all in one place!! LOL
Posted by: sensible1 | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:40 AM
jolari, look at the studies. In the clinical trials I don't think they were entirely candid. It is in that little pamphlet that you get with all medications where you need a very good magnifying glass to read it.
Posted by: fiery | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:36 AM
I think the American public would be amazed at how much is discovered at these trials & then kept hidden. Part of that comes for the desire of the public to want some of these drugs on the market sooner rather than later though. I am not a big fan of all of the medications that MDs give to patients. Yes there are some that are vital, but personally I think we are an over medicated society.
Posted by: jolari | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:43 AM
Posted by: Walter Sobchak | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:38 AM
there have been so many different lawyer interpretations that I don't know what to believe. I heard one say that since it was filed in NY State Supreme Court, if there wasn't jurisdiction there, it would be kicked to Federal court, where it would be dismissed. I only heard that story once though and I don't recall what MSM "expert" it was, but it was when it was first filed.
Posted by: pathenry | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:43 AM
Posted by: jolari | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:43 AM
I wish I could get seen in my doctors office as fast as the pharmaceutical rep. that rolls her suitcase in unannounced, and the receptionist ushers her in the back.
Posted by: pathenry | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:46 AM
Well the 8th is Wednesday, wonder how long it will take the courts to render a decision about the validity of the suit?
Posted by: jolari | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:46 AM
Posted by: jolari | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:46 AM
I hope Judge Judy hears the case (it would so appropriate)..just to see her hold her finger up to her mouth and go "shhh..shhh..shhh" to JQK. :>)
Posted by: pathenry | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:50 AM
personally I think we are an over medicated society.
Posted by: jolari | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:43 AM
I wonder what Natalee was taking medication for?
Posted by: pathenry | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:51 AM
wish I could get seen in my doctors office as fast as the pharmaceutical rep. that rolls her suitcase in unannounced, and the receptionist ushers her in the back.
Posted by: pathenry | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:46 AM
Oh yes--all those antibiotics they gave for viruses & then wondered why the patients built up a resistance to them. Saw a young man die from a bad infection because his Mom (an RN) used to give him an antibiotic everytime he had a sniffle. That infection just ran through his body. He didn't have a chance.
Posted by: jolari | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 01:52 AM
http://ceetveerefugees.11.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=2086&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=40
sensible...this thread...
Posted by: fiery | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 02:03 AM
well something is going on. WAs just on Rita Cosby's site. When you click on the NH disappearance link...it says server not found or somthing like that....well I guess things are beginning to happen....
Posted by: fiery | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 02:08 AM
Posted by: fiery | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 02:03 AM
They hold nothing back over there do they? LOL :>)
Posted by: pathenry | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 02:08 AM
Hey fiery...did you see the Ed Kissel mention. He's the guy with the "friend" he met and rode in his car...or was it the friends car?...he rode in the car and she rode in the car..remember that quote?
Posted by: pathenry | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 02:12 AM
MACCALLUM: I want to get back to that in a second, but I do want to ask you one quick question about the civil suit. How is that going? What satisfaction are you looking for in the civil suit, at this point?
HOLLOWAY: Well, we have a couple of issues, obviously, the jurisdiction and the forum issues. I'm not going to get my hopes up high until that's officially concluded. They've got probably 20 to 30 days on which they were served in which to answer the lawsuit. So you know, that's something that probably John Kelly, the attorney, could answer a lot better than I could
Posted by: pathenry | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 02:17 AM
Hey fiery...did you see the Ed Kissel mention. He's the guy with the "friend" he met and rode in his car...or was it the friends car?...he rode in the car and she rode in the car..remember that quote?
Posted by: pathenry | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 02:12 AM
know this is for Fiery, but don't know if she's on another site--He rode back from C&'C's in his friend's car. (Friend being someone Ed met while in Aruba think he was a waiter at the hotel --could be a bartender too
Posted by: jolari | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 02:21 AM
Posted by: fiery | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 02:03 AM
They hold nothing back over there do they? LOL :>)
Posted by: pathenry | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 02:08 AM
LMAO, just read the thread fiery posted. Heh--and I thought it was bad here. We're a bunch of pussycats, or at least behave better over here.
Posted by: ViVi | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 02:21 AM
guys, someone must have read vivi's post today about lying because it did make everyone think....and...it generated this:
http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2006/03/harrytho_36_nat.php#comments
Posted by: fiery | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 02:24 AM
yep, I've seen it all...it is like a giant frat party over there...they are a lot of fun...
Posted by: fiery | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 02:25 AM
pat, for a long time you kept asking about that quote. I bet that figures into it big time...
Posted by: fiery | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 02:27 AM
why all the interest in belly shots? They are pretty common at many parties & have been for a long time.
Fiery, I couldn't find anything new at Harry's other than the Greta review.
Posted by: jolari | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 02:29 AM
Posted by: jolari | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 02:21 AM
Yes. That's the one I'm talking about. The quote was somewhat ambiguous though. It wasn't clear (at least to me) if he was speaking of driving back (not even sure if he meant CnC's) with the guy that same night, or another night..or if by "the car" whose car he was specifically talking about. I used to listen to Union members' grievances for years..I can't help but always be on the lookout for what is missing in a sentence. That goes for management's version of events too.:>)
Posted by: pathenry | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 02:30 AM
guys, someone must have read vivi's post today about lying because it did make everyone think....and...it generated this:
http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2006/03/harrytho_36_nat.php#comments
Posted by: fiery | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 02:24 AM
:) Heh. Glad I could provide fuel for the debate--if it was anything more than a coincidence.
Posted by: ViVi | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 02:32 AM
I found it Fiery-
Posted by: jolari | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 02:34 AM
Fiery, I couldn't find anything new at Harry's other than the Greta review.
Posted by: jolari | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 02:29 AM
Look for this: "JackC (on scrux) wrote:"
Posted by: ViVi | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 02:35 AM
pat, I remember it being the same night & that he left C&C's with the friend, but that doesn't make it so. Will try & find it. Damn wish I didn't delete all my stuff when I tried to go cold turkey.
Posted by: jolari | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 02:35 AM
well, what did you guys think of that theory....pretty plausible...no?
Posted by: fiery | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 02:36 AM
Look for this: "JackC (on scrux) wrote:"
Posted by: ViVi | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 02:35 AM
Thanks--found it--does sound similar doesn't it?
Posted by: jolari | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 02:36 AM
Thanks--found it--does sound similar doesn't it?
Posted by: jolari | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 02:36 AM
Um, yeah.
Posted by: ViVi | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 02:37 AM
but, then where the heck is she?
Posted by: fiery | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 02:37 AM
well, what did you guys think of that theory....pretty plausible...no?
Posted by: fiery | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 02:36 AM
yes--kind of what I said earlier today as did ViVi
Posted by: jolari | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 02:38 AM
I guess so...but, this guy put it all together....I guess whoever reads here and is all over finally made all the connections....cause posters on all the sites were going back to KISS.
Posted by: fiery | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 02:39 AM
Posted by: jolari | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 02:29 AM
The belly shots and the partying at the bar is relevant for two reason...1.) Natalee is missing and 2.)the characterization of Natalee and the Mt. Brook students at CnC's was curiously misportrayed. Why? There wasn't a need for any of that. It was a graduation trip...teens will party nothing wrong with that....and A crime is a crime (if one was committed).....it doesn't make it any more, or any less a crime if someone was drinking responsibly or partying their ass off...why did the family feel the need that they had to portray anything other than the truth. All LE information I have read states when a person is missing it is of the utmost importance to accurately provide all information honestly about the missing person, as it could help in the crucial early stages of the investigation.
Posted by: pathenry | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 02:40 AM
yes--kind of what I said earlier today as did ViVi
Posted by: jolari | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 02:38 AM
Yeah, that was right before I said I dont think that's what happened. It's possible though, at least the way we said it.
Posted by: ViVi | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 02:40 AM
was it one of you guys? Is one of you guys letsgetphysical....and you didn't post the theory here?
Posted by: fiery | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 02:40 AM
here you go pat
"Ed Kissel: (was he concerned) No. I wasn't personally concerned about anything. From what I've heard, I heard people talk about him and he sounded like a nice guy. So I didn't think any big deal. I personally had ridden in the car over there. I made friends with one of the waiters. I'm fluent in Spanish, and you know, I was friends with somebody. And so I was thinking, you know, I rode in a car with somebody, she rides in the car with somebody, no big deal. I didn't think about it.
Posted by: jolari | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 02:42 AM
I havent ever posted anywhere else.
Posted by: ViVi | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 02:42 AM
I didn't pay much attention today cause I had some deadlines...but I did notice certain posts as I was skimming and I did post a little bit...so I don't know, what to tell you.
Posted by: fiery | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 02:43 AM
I never posted anywhere else until things started to get very rough around here and I thought this board might disappear. I was so loyal for all this time...but I finally joined over at refugees. But I don't post at Harry's I just read there. Everyone there is very very brilliant and serious and I don't want to post a dumb post. It is the same at scrux although you can read there, anyone can, just like at Harry.
Posted by: fiery | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 02:45 AM
Ed Kissel: (was he concerned) No. I wasn't personally concerned about anything. From what I've heard, I heard people talk about him and he sounded like a nice guy. So I didn't think any big deal. I personally had ridden in the car over there. I made friends with one of the waiters. I'm fluent in Spanish, and you know, I was friends with somebody. And so I was thinking, you know, I rode in a car with somebody, she rides in the car with somebody, no big deal. I didn't think about it. source
scrux.com
"I personally had ridden in the car over there" a car, the car...good thing Joran doesn't talk like that :>)
Posted by: pathenry | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 02:46 AM
I don't post anywhere else either--Vivi & I had just a little conversation about this today--really just a posting. We didn't go into it as deep as they did at Harry's- this is my post & Vivi's response:
"The really sad thing is that maybe they are still lying cuz' they don't know how to get out of what they lied about in the beginning and nothing more. Could be scared young men who are way in over their heads because of some stupid things they did in the beginning that have nothing at all due to the fact that Natalee is now missing.
Posted by: jolari | Monday, March 06, 2006 at 03:04 PM
No one is going to believe that I will say this, but
We have discussed that it doesnt make sense that they would keep lying and sitting in jail just to cover the initial lie. It DOESNT make sense when you subject it to a purely cause/effect analysis. But the truth is, human behavior is not always rational, and clearly people do not always act in their own best interest. Sometimes a lie will take on a life of its own and for a number of reasons it just becomes nearly impossible to tell the full truth once that happens. It could be that the initial lie was just stupid and panic-driven, and now telling the full story is just too difficult because of pride, shame, guilt (not criminal guilt, guilt about lying in the first instance). IMO Joran is still lying--but it's possible that he's lying because of what I just described. I dont think that's the case, but it's possible.
Posted by: ViVi | Monday, March 06, 2006 at 03:14 PM
Posted by: jolari | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 02:49 AM
well whoever that poster is he/she must read here because, the theory was first posted over at scrux PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 5:48 pm Post subject:
Posted by: fiery | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 02:52 AM
Let's give the guy or gal the benefit of the doubt and assume that he/she never read here and was working on the theory and finally fleshed it out and it was coincidental that you made those posts on the same day as they did. Cause otherwise it is just too wierd.
Posted by: fiery | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 02:54 AM
well whoever that poster is he/she must read here because, the theory was first posted over at scrux PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 5:48 pm Post subject:
Posted by: fiery | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 02:52 AM
RWV rules the world!
Posted by: ViVi | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 02:55 AM
Let's give the guy or gal the benefit of the doubt and assume that he/she never read here and was working on the theory and finally fleshed it out and it was coincidental that you made those posts on the same day as they did. Cause otherwise it is just too wierd.
Posted by: fiery | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 02:54 AM
Either way--nothing wrong with seeing an idea elsewhere and fleshing it out or adopting the same line of thinking.
Posted by: ViVi | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 02:56 AM
The belly shots and the partying at the bar is relevant for two reason...1.) Natalee is missing and 2.)the characterization of Natalee and the Mt. Brook students at CnC's was curiously misportrayed. Why? There wasn't a need for any of that. It was a graduation trip...teens will party nothing wrong with that....and A crime is a crime (if one was committed).....it doesn't make it any more, or any less a crime if someone was drinking responsibly or partying their ass off...why did the family feel the need that they had to portray anything other than the truth. All LE information I have read states when a person is missing it is of the utmost importance to accurately provide all information honestly about the missing person, as it could help in the crucial early stages of the investigation.
Posted by: pathenry | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 02:40 AM
1--I do know that Natalee is missing-:(
2--I don't look it as a misportrayal at all. It's something that is done often by teens & young adults. Doesn't mean they are wild & out of control.
Posted by: jolari | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 02:59 AM
Posted by: ViVi | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 02:55 AM
ROFLMAO
Although tonight I read on Refugees a post that someone said "RWV says that the suspect is controlling the media and the blogs, that's us" When I skimmed I didn't remember seeing that post. did someone make that post somewhere?
Posted by: fiery | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 02:59 AM
Cause otherwise it is just too wierd.
Posted by: fiery | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 02:54 AM
No one here commented on it other than Vivi & myself.
Posted by: jolari | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 03:00 AM
When I skimmed I didn't remember seeing that post. did someone make that post somewhere?
Posted by: fiery | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 02:59 AM
I don't emember that at all from today & I was here way too long.
Did you watch 24 tonight?
Posted by: jolari | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 03:02 AM
Cause otherwise it is just too wierd.
Posted by: fiery | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 02:54 AM
No one here commented on it other than Vivi & myself.
Posted by: jolari | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 03:00 AM
Errata: RWV rules the world s/b jolari and ViVi rule the world.
BUT, what we proposed in fairness is NOT the way I believe it happened; I can only concede that it's possible.
Posted by: ViVi | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 03:04 AM
Errata: RWV rules the world s/b jolari and ViVi rule the world.
BUT, what we proposed in fairness is NOT the way I believe it happened; I can only concede that it's possible.
Posted by: ViVi | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 03:04 AM
I really think it was just a coincidence--Fiery, you were in on that "conversation" because you mentioned it could also be the same for the MB kids & I agreed with you.
Posted by: jolari | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 03:07 AM
I can only concede that it's possible.
Posted by: ViVi | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 03:04 AM
I think it really could have happened that way--Worked as a School Nurse for several years & was amazed what trouble these kids got themselves into with the little lies that just grew & grew.
Posted by: jolari | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 03:09 AM
Fiery--are you still here?
Posted by: jolari | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 03:10 AM
Posted by: jolari | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 02:59 AM
From Beth's mouth she stated that the first thing she did when she arrived in Auba was meet the DEA agent to establish Natalee's character. Why was establishing her character...especially if it was untrue...the most important thing that Beth felt she needed to do upon arrival? That doesn't seem helpful at all to me...to go out of her way to specifically state something that was known to be contrary to the actual events that transpired.
Posted by: pathenry | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 03:11 AM
That doesn't seem helpful at all to me...to go out of her way to specifically state something that was known to be contrary to the actual events that transpired.
Posted by: pathenry | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 03:11 AM
Think that Beth was trying to point out that Natalee just wouldn't not show up. But what does belly shots have to do with someone's character?
Posted by: jolari | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 03:12 AM
Posted by: ViVi | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 03:04 AM
Just out of curiousity...do you really speak that way...or is it just a posting style?
Posted by: pathenry | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 03:14 AM
Well, now therose has a theory on hyscience...I guess this is theory posting night. She has posted a lot there and she is very very intelligent..
Posted by: fiery | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 03:14 AM
oh I know...jolari...I ws trying to do too many things at once today...I did it but I feel like I've run a marathon and I don't remember half of it...I think I just made one post, right...well maybe the rose reads here too cause she seems to be discussing the alabama buch now....
I guess post number three will tell us all where the kid is...
Posted by: fiery | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 03:16 AM
Hi everyone :}
Posted by: edward | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 03:17 AM
Posted by: ViVi | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 03:04 AM
Just out of curiousity...do you really speak that way...or is it just a posting style?
Posted by: pathenry | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 03:14 AM
Which way?
Posted by: ViVi | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 03:18 AM
I didn't watch 24...I had deadlines so I recorded it....but my friend already told me what happened in the end....called up madder than a wet hen....
Posted by: fiery | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 03:18 AM
Hi edward. :) Sheehan arrested again, I guess you saw.
Posted by: ViVi | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 03:19 AM
Posted by: ViVi | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 03:04 AM
Just out of curiousity...do you really speak that way...or is it just a posting style?
Posted by: pathenry | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 03:14 AM
Which way?
Posted by: ViVi | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 03:18 AM
ROFLMAO...you two are too funny
Posted by: fiery | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 03:20 AM
I didn't watch 24...I had deadlines so I recorded it....but my friend already told me what happened in the end....called up madder than a wet hen....
Posted by: fiery | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 03:18 AM
I was floored-Did not expect that at all-Still watch it cuz it was good tonigh-Hope you recorded for 2 hours
Posted by: jolari | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 03:21 AM
Just out of curiousity...do you really speak that way...or is it just a posting style?
Posted by: pathenry | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 03:14 AM
Which way?
Posted by: ViVi | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 03:18 AM
ROFLMAO...you two are too funny
Posted by: fiery | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 03:20 AM
:) I write differently than I speak.
Posted by: ViVi | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 03:21 AM
Posted by: jolari | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 03:12 AM
I wasn't speaking exclusively of belly shots....but the whole party atmosphere and someone enjoying the ambience of it..would possibly like the party to continue for a little longer. If Beth didn't know Natalee was partying..well, I know what to make of that...I don't believe the girl landed in Aruba and just got caught up in the moment. Either she was off her meds, or it wasn't her first time at the rodeo. It was important to Beth to make sure Natalee's character was portrayed in a manner which would indicate she was not the type of girl to just go off (virgin, shy, bible study, doesn't party, doesn't hardly ever drink).....maybe Beth went with that story because there is another reason she didn't want to divulge.
Posted by: pathenry | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 03:21 AM
Hi edward. :) Sheehan arrested again, I guess you saw.
Posted by: ViVi | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 03:19 AM
No sorry I had to work today..just got home..what did she do to deserve such attention..:} ?
Posted by: edward | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 03:21 AM
Hi Edward--Think Hugo will send bail money for Cindy?
Posted by: jolari | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 03:22 AM
).....maybe Beth went with that story because there is another reason she didn't want to divulge.
Posted by: pathenry | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 03:21 AM
or she just didn't want them to tell her to wait x amount of hours--don't know. Do you know what medication Natalee was on?
Posted by: jolari | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 03:24 AM
No sorry I had to work today..just got home..what did she do to deserve such attention..:} ?
Posted by: edward | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 03:21 AM
Long day!! I dont know what she was arrested for THIS time, only that she was arrested.
Posted by: ViVi | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 03:25 AM
Posted by: ViVi | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 03:21 AM
Thank heavens. :>) Errata?? who would say that out loud? I write as as I speak.....that's why I dot, dot, dot so much....punctuation is overrated in my book...you know what I mean, jellybean?
Posted by: pathenry | Tuesday, March 07, 2006 at 03:25 AM
2 PEAS IN A POD. STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES.
Bigfish helping himself to another ear of corn from the steaming bowl. ...
BF
Posted by: Bigfish | Monday, March 13, 2006 at 11:06 PM
I cannot believe that she is sitting there reading this. She is truly a maniac about this case.
Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, March 13, 2006 at 10:24 PM
MORE BULLSHIT
I have no idea. I would think he is a sausage and egg man, and the frosted flakes were just an investigaive tool to keep Beth waiting because he sensed she was lying....which she was. JMO
Posted by: pathenry | Monday, March 20, 2006 at 06:54 PM
IMO, Beth the Pathological Liar.
Posted by: pathenry | Monday, March 20, 2006 at 10:38 PM
IMO, Beth the Pathological Liar.
Posted by: pathenry | Monday, March 20, 2006 at 10:38 PM
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And her "advocate" Greta who has a "vendetta" against a viewer/e-mailer named "Jody." How pathetic are these people. : (
BF
Posted by: Bigfish | Monday, March 20, 2006 at 10:42 PM
Hard to believe after reading that today, that Greta is a "professional".
Posted by: gagal_05 | Monday, March 20, 2006 at 10:43 PM
OMG I can't believe my eyes! It just keeps on getting better and better! Just when I thought it couldn't possibly get any uglier - it does! Greta is dead-agenting an emailer? F her.
Posted by: coastal | Monday, March 20, 2006 at 11:02 PM
In Aruba, truth is a foreign concept.
Posted by: CateKelly | Tuesday, March 21, 2006 at 12:08 AM
I can say the same about Mountain Brook, and that too would be a generalization with no foundation.
Posted by: pathenry | Tuesday, March 21, 2006 at 12:09 AM
I have no idea. I would think he is a sausage and egg man, and the frosted flakes were just an investigaive tool to keep Beth waiting because he sensed she was lying....which she was. JMO
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